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HomeMy WebLinkAbout6/23/2015 - RegularJune 23, 2015 Roanoke County Administration Center 5204 Bernard Drive Roanoke, Virginia 24018 319 The Board of Supervisors of Roanoke County, Virginia met this day at the Roanoke County Administration Center, this being the fourth Tuesday and the second regularly scheduled meeting of the month of July 2015. Audio and video recordings of this meeting will be held on file for a minimum of five (5) years in the office of the Clerk to the Board of Supervisors. IN RE: OPENING CEREMONIES Before the meeting was called to order an invocation was given by Pastor Bill Booth of Vinton Baptist Church. The Pledge of Allegiance was recited by all present. IN RE: CALL TO ORDER Chairman Peters called the meeting to order at 3-02 p.m. The roll call was taken. MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman P. Jason Peters, Supervisors Al Bedrosian, Joseph B. "Butch" Church, Joseph P. McNamara and Charlotte A. Moore MEMBERS ABSENT: None STAFF PRESENT: Thomas C. Gates, County Administrator; Daniel R. O'Donnell, Assistant County Administrator; Richard Caywood, Assistant County Administrator- Paul M. '7 Mahoney, County Attorney; Amy Whittaker, Public Information Officer and Deborah C. Jacks, Deputy Clerk to the Board IN RE: PROCLAMATIONS, RESOLUTIONS, RECOGNITIONS AND AWARDS 1. Recognition of the Roanoke County Police Department for receiving the National President's Award from Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD)(Howard B. Hall, Chief of Police) Recognition was given. Supervisor Moore thanked and congratulated Chief Hall. Chairman Peters also thanked Chief Hall for all of their hard work. 320 June 23, 2015 IN RE: NEW BUSINESS 1. Request to utilize Board Contingency funds in the amount of $36,920.34 to pay for fifty percent (50%) of the renovation costs of the Vinton Fire House and fifty percent (50%) of needed security system upgrades (Daniel R. O'Donnell, Assistant County Administrator) A-062315-1 Mr. O'Donnell outlined the request and noted Chief Simon is also in attendance for any questions. Supervisor McNamara asked if staff had looked at year-end balances in Fire and Rescue. Mr. O'Donnell responded in the negative stating all year-end balances would be moved into capital accounts. Supervisor McNamara also noted the Board Contingency Fund has been reduced to $50,000 for fiscal 2015/2016. Supervisor Church stated he had no problem taking the funds from contingency, but wanted to be consistent in how we handled these type of things. Supervisor Bedrosian asked how these types of things are awarded. Mr. O'Donnell advised Vinton has been administering this project; but they handle projects the same way that we do, the Virginia State Procurement Code is followed. So this is fifteen percent (15%) over the cost. So, when it goes this far over, did one of the bids go over. Mr. O'Donnell explained when you are renovating an old building you do not necessarily know what you have until you start tearing into walls, etc. They had a lot of asbestos and mold and a great deal of change orders for unforeseen items within the building. It is not that unusual. Supervisor Bedrosian stated so we just went ahead and did it with Mr. O'Donnell confirming the work has already been done. If the Board does not approve the additional funds, the Town of Vinton will have to pay the contractor. Supervisor Bedrosian commented this does bother him that we just go ahead and take it out of Board Contingency like it is automatic. He thought we were setting a new process where these things were taken from capital funds. The only reason we are taking this out of Board Contingency. Mr. O'Donnell advised this project began for the new process was implemented. He stated the process bothers him more than the money. Supervisor Moore stated she supports this as these are the very men and women who protect us with their lives every day and we need to make sure they are secure. She added mitigating mold is a safety issue. Supervisor Bedrosian stated every time he has a comment regarding things like this, there is always a comment that he is against our Fire and Rescue personnel. He stated he wanted to make it very clear. It is not about Fire and Rescue, it is not about people dealing with mold, it is about a process of spending money. He June 23, 2015 321 wanted to make that very clear. We are in government to watch the money and how it is spent. There is a process to doing this. We need to be notified before staff has already spent the money. The funds for security should have been with the original bid and then it could have been discussed. This is about a process and how we spend our money versus men and women and what they do. Supervisor Peters stated he has more experience with this than anyone else. This was a building that was built in 1976 and there were a lot of things discovered when we began the process of renovating, which did drive the cost up. We should have staff come before the Board during the process, but with regard to security, which he added, is because he believes all of our public safety buildings need to be secure building. This building is not secure and he will take responsibility for the security measures that should have been looked at in the beginning. Chairman Peters asked Mr. Mahoney if he should abstain since he is a volunteer with Fire and Rescue. Mr. Mahoney advised he did not need to abstain. On motion of Supervisor Peters to transfer funds in the amount of $36,920.34 to pay for fifty percent (50%) of the renovation costs of the Vinton Fire House and fifty percent (50%) of needed security system upgrades, the motion carried by the following recorded vote- AYES- Supervisors Moore, Church, McNamara, Peters NAYES- Supervisors Bedrosian Supervisor Bedrosian commented with his vote that he just does not like the way we continue to go off the path; we need to get into a system of doing these things and feels staff is deviating. IN RE: REQUEST FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS AND FIRST READING OF REZONING ORDINANCES - CONSENT AGENDA 1. Bergmann Associates, D.P.C, Inc. to obtain a special use permit for a convenience store in the CVOD, Clearbrook Village Overlay District, on approximately 29.965 acres, located at the Clearbrook Walmart, 5350 Clearbrook Village Lane, Cave Spring Magisterial District Supervisor Moore's motion to approve the first reading and to establish the second reading and public hearing for July 28, 2015, was approved by the following vote - AYES- Supervisors Moore, Bedrosian, Church, McNamara, Peters NAYS- None 322 June 23, 2015 IN RE: SECOND READING OF ORDINANCES 1. Ordinance to approve Amendment No. 1 to an intergovernmental agreement for the Workforce Investment Area III Chief Local Elected Officials Charter Agreement (Thomas C. Gates, County Administrator; Jake Gilmer, Director of Partnerships and Development, Roanoke Valley -Allegheny Regional Commission) Mr. Gates advised there were no changes from first reading. There was no discussion. ORDINANCE 062315-2 TO APPROVE AMENDMENT NO. 1 TO AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT FOR THE WORKFORCE INVESTMENT AREA III CHIEF LOCAL ELECTED OFFICIALS CHARTER AGREEMENT WHEREAS, the cities of Covington, Roanoke, and Salem, and the counties of Alleghany, Botetourt, Craig, Franklin and Roanoke agreed to create a consortium to work together in accordance with the provisions of the federal Workforce Investment Act within the Western Virginia Workforce Development Area III; and WHEREAS, the Board of Supervisors authorized the execution of the Workforce Investment Area III Chief Local Elected Officials Charter Agreement dated July 21, 2003 (Charter Agreement), by Action No. A-051303-6 adopted May 13, 2003; and WHEREAS, the Mayors of the cities of Covington, Roanoke and Salem, and the Chairmen of the Board of Supervisors of the counties of Alleghany, Botetourt, Craig, Franklin, and Roanoke (collectively, the Member Jurisdictions) executed the Charter Agreement; and WHEREAS, the Member Jurisdictions desire to amend the Charter Agreement to improve the operations and implementation of the Workforce Development Plan, acknowledge, confirm, and agree that the Charter Agreement is an exercise of joint powers as permitted by Section 15.2-1300, et sec., Code of Virginia (1950), as amended, and address changes that may be required as the result of the Workforce Innovation and Opportunity Act of 2014 (29 U.S.C. §§ 3011, et seq.); and WHEREAS, the first reading of this ordinance was held on June 9, 2015 and the second reading was held on June 23, 2015- and WHEREAS, Section 13 of the Cha�er Agreement allows for amendments to the Charter Agreement with the concurrence of the governing bodies of the Member Jurisdictions. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT ORDAINED by the Board of Supervisors of Roanoke County as follows- June 23, 2015 323 1 . That Amendment No. 1 to the Charter Agreement is hereby approved to improve the operations and implementation of the Workforce Development Plan and to address changes that may be required as the result of the Workforce Innovation and Opportunity Act of 2014 (29 U.S.C. §§ 3011, et seq.) 2. The Charter Agreement, as authorized and approved by Action No. A- 051303-6 and as amended by Amendment No. 1 is ratified and approved. 3. That the County Administrator, or any Assistant County Administrator, is authorized and directed to execute this Amendment No. 1 to the Charter Agreement, and any other documents related to Amendment No. 1, which shall be in a form approved by the County Attorney's office. On motion of Supervisor Moore to adopt the ordinance, and carried by the following roll call and recorded vote- AYES- Supervisors Moore, Bedrosian, Church, McNamara, Peters NAYS- None IN RE: PUBLIC HEARING AND SECOND READING OF ORDINANCES 1. Ordinance authorizing the vacation of an existing twelve foot (12') public utility easement located along the side property line on the property of James Barry Echols (lot 29) and Richard G. and Shelia B. Huffman (lot 30), block 11, section 3 of Beverly Heights North (plat book 8, page 16) tax map numbers 044.03- 03-41.00-0000 and 044.03-03-42.00-0000), Catawba Magisterial District (Tarek Moneir, Deputy Director of Development) Mr. Moneir provided a brief overview of the need for the ordinance. Chairman Peters opened and closed the public hearing with no one to speak on this item. ORDINANCE 062315-3 AUTHORIZING THE VACATION OF AN EXISTING TWELVE FOOT (12') PUBLIC UTILITY EASEMENT LOCATED ALONG THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE ON PROPERTY OF JAMES BARRY ECHOLS (LOT 29) AND RICHARD G. AND SHELIA B. HUFFMAN (LOT 30), BLOCK 11, SECTION 3 OF BEVERLY HEIGHTS NORTH (PLAT BOOK 8, PAGE 16) TAX MAP NUMBERS 044.03-03-41.00-0000 AND 044.03-03-42.00- 0000), CATAWBA MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT WHEREAS, a plat entitled "Plat of Section No. 3. Beverly Heights North Property of Fralin and Waldron, Incorporated" dated Oct. 25, 1971, and recorded in the Clerk's Office of the Circuit Court of Roanoke County, Virginia, (Plat Book 8, Page 16) 324 June 23, 2015 dedicated a twelve foot (12') wide public utility easement across parcels identified as Lots 29 and 30 (Tax Map Nos. 044.03-03-41.00-0000 and 044.03-03-42.00-0000); and WHEREAS, the current owner of the property, James Barry Echols (Lot 29) and Richard G. and Sheila B. Huffman (Lot 30), have requested that the twelve foot (12') wide public utility easement located along the side property line be vacated in order to remove that encumbrance on their property to allow Mr. Echols to build a garage on Lot 29; and WHEREAS, County staff has reviewed and approved the vacation this twelve foot (12') public utility easement as shown on the exhibit (Exhibit "A") attached hereto and entitled "James Barry Echols and Richard G. and Sheila B. Huffman Showing the Proposed Vacation of a twelve foot (12') Public Utility Easement Situate on Lots 29 & 30, Block 11, Section 3, Beverly Heights North — P.B. 8, PG. 16, Catawba Magisterial District" prepared by Parker Design Group, Inc. dated 4 May 2015; and WHEREAS, no other property owner will be affected by the vacation of this public utility easements, and this vacation will not involve any cost to the County, and the affected County departments and public utilities have raised no objection; and WHEREAS, notice has been given as required by Section 15.2-2204 of the Code of Virginia (1950, as amended); and THEREFORE, BE IT ORDAINED by the Board of Supervisors of Roanoke County, Virginia, as follows - 1 . That pursuant to the provisions of Section 18.04 of the Roanoke County Charter, the acquisition and disposition of real estate can be authorized only by ordinance. A first reading of this ordinance was held on June 9, 2015, and a second reading and public hearing of this ordinance was held on June 23, 2015. 2. That pursuant to the provisions of Section 16.01 of the Roanoke County Charter, the subject real estate, a twelve foot (12') wide public utility easement, which was dedicated by plat of Beverly Heights North (Plat Book 8, Page 16) is hereby declared to be surplus and the nature of the interests in real estate renders it unavailable for other public use. 3. That the subject real estate, a twelve foot (12") wide public utility easement, located along the side property lines of Lots 29 and 30, which was dedicated by plat of Beverly Heights North (Plat Book 8, Page 16) be, and hereby is, vacated pursuant to Section 15.2-2270 of the Code of Virginia 1950, as amended. 4. That all costs and expenses associated herewith, including but not limited to publication, survey and recordation costs, shall be the responsibility of the Petitioner. 5. That the County Administrator, or any Assistant County Administrator, is hereby authorized to execute such documents and take such actions as may be necessary to accomplish the provisions of this ordinance, all of which shall be on form approved by the County Attorney. 6. That this ordinance shall be effective on and from the date of its adoption, and a certified copy of this ordinance shall be recorded in the Clerk's Office of the June 23, 2015 325 Circuit Court of Roanoke County, Virginia, in accordance with Section 15.2-2270 of the Code of Virginia (1950, as amended). On motion of Supervisor Church to adopt the ordinance, and carried by the following roll call and recorded vote- AYES- Supervisors Moore, Bedrosian, Church, McNamara, Peters NAYS- None IN RE: APPOINTMENTS 1. Parks, Recreation and Tourism Advisory Commission (appointed by District) Supervisor Church reappointed Larry Peterson for three-year term and asked that it be put on the Consent Agenda for confirmation. Chairman Peters reappointed Richard Tomlinson for an additional three- year term and asked that it be put on the Consent Agenda for confirmation. IN RE: CONSENT AGENDA RESOLUTION 062315-4 APPROVING AND CONCURRING IN CERTAIN ITEMS SET FORTH ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AGENDA FOR THIS DATE DESIGNATED AS ITEM K- CONSENT AGENDA BE IT RESOLVED by the Board of Supervisors of Roanoke County, Virginia, as follows - That the certain section of the agenda of the Board of Supervisors for June 23, 2015, designated as Item K - Consent Agenda be, and hereby is, approved and concurred in as to each item separately set forth in said section designated Items 1 through inclusive, as follows - 1 . Approval of minutes — May 26, 2015 2. Resolution expressing the appreciation of the Board of Supervisors of Roanoke County to Daniel L. Brokaw, Combination Code Compliance Inspector, upon his retirement after more than twenty (20) years of service 3. Ratify and affirm an agreement with Unified Hurnan SeWiGes Transportation Systerns, InG. to provide CORTRAN seFViGes for Roanoke County frern july 1, 2015 through june 30, 2016 4. Request to accept and allocate grant funds in the amount of $15,850 from the Jacqueline S. (Jackie) and Shelborn L. (S.L.) Spangler Fund of Foundation for Roanoke Valley to Roanoke County Fire and Rescue for the purchase of 326 June 23, 2015 equipment for Bent Mountain station 5. Request to accept and allocate funds in the amount of $10,337.38 to the Clerk of the Circuit Court from the Commonwealth of Virginia for fiscal year 2014/2015 6. Request to accept the vacation of a variable width Private Drainage Easement and relocation of a twenty (20) foot wide Private Drainage Easement as shown on the plat of Mason's Crest, Section 2, recorded as instrument #201504263, on May 15, 2015, in the Roanoke County Circuit Court Clerk's Office, said Private Drainage Easement being relocated on Lots 25 through 29 (Tax Map Numbers 097.01-05-17.00-0000, 097.01-05-18.00- 0000, 097.01-05-19.00-0000, 097.01-05-20.00-0000 & 097.01-05-17.00- 0000),Cave Spring Magisterial District 7. Confirmation of appointment to the Economic Development Authority (appointed by District)- Parks, Recreation and Tourism Advisory Commission On motion of Supervisor Peters to adopt the resolution, with the exception of Item K-3, which was removed for separate consideration and carried by the following recorded vote- AYES- Supervisors Moore, Bedrosian, Church, McNamara, Peters NAYS- None RESOLUTION 062315-4.a EXPRESSING THE APPRECIATION OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF ROANOKE COUNTY TO DANIEL L. BROKAW, COMBINATION CODE COMPLIANCE INSPECTOR, UPON HIS RETIREMENT AFTER MORE THAN TWENTY (20) YEARS OF SERVICE WHEREAS, Daniel L. Brokaw was employed by Roanoke County on January 18, 1994, and has served as Electrical Inspector and Combination Code Compliance Inspector during his tenure; and WHEREAS, Mr. Brokaw retired on June 1, 2015, after twenty (20) years and eight (8) months of devoted, faithful and expert service to Roanoke County; and WHEREAS, Mr. Brokaw throughout his employment with Roanoke County, has been instrumental in improving the quality of life and providing services to the citizens of Roanoke County; and WHEREAS, throughout Mr. Brokaw's with Roanoke County, he obtained certificates of completion training and licenses in many area including- Pipelines Emergency Response and Awareness for Excavation Operation- Stormwater Management; National Fire Protection and Building Fire Safety by N�PA; National Safety Council Training of First Aid; OSHA Safety Training; Erosion and Sediment Control Inspection; Best Management Practice "BMP" Inspection & Maintenance; June 23, 2015 327 Confined Space Awareness and Entry; Building Inspection for Property Maintenance; Amusement Device and Asbestos Initial. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the Board of Supervisors of Roanoke County expresses its deepest appreciation and the appreciation of the citizens of Roanoke County to DANIEL L. BROKAW for more than twenty (20) years of capable, loyal and dedicated service to Roanoke County; and FURTHER, the Board of Supervisors does express its best wishes for a happy and productive retirement. On motion of Supervisor Peters to adopt the resolution, and carried by the following roll call and recorded vote- AYES- Supervisors Moore, Bedrosian, Church, McNamara, Peters NAYS- None A -062315-4.b A -062315-4.c A -062315-4.d A -062315-7.e 1. Ratify and affirm an agreement with Unified Human Services Transportation Systems, Inc. to provide CORTRAN services for Roanoke County from July 1, 2015 through June 30, 2016 Effill-kWi &711-i Mr. Thomas Gates, County Administrator advised this was a contract renewal with the same terms and provides transportation for our disabled citizens. The Board did authorize the funding for this in the fiscal year budget for $420,000. Supervisor Bedrosian stated when we talked about this in work session and the only thing that bothered him that is it not just for disabled citizens, but for anyone over sixty (60) years of age. Why are we offering transportation services to anyone over sixty (60). This is the one area he has a problem. Additionally, when did Roanoke County get into subsidizing transportation? The fair is basically subsidized at 80/20. It cost the person taking the trip $4, but the cost is really $18. Is this correct. Mr. Gates responded $18.55 was the number expended in fiscal year 2015 and divided by the number of trips. He wants to remove the physically handicapped from this conversation, because he does not want this to be an emotional conversation. Why are providing services for everybody else? Mr. Gates explained there are requirements for use of the system and asked Laurie Gearheart, Assistant Director of Finance, to explain. Ms. Gearheart advised Roanoke County has been providing this service since 1985. When originally approved by the Board, it was for people sixty (60) years or older and/or physically handicapped, defined by the Easter Seal requirements. Since that 328 June 23, 2015 time, ADA came into play. Staff has looked at ridership, the amount of people who are just sixty (60) years old riding just because they are sixty (60) years old and can was nonexistence the last time she looked at the data. Most of the people riding were riding it because of their disability or they were aged sixty-five (65). Supervisor Bedrosian asked why isn't it more strict and limited to people who are disabled, handicapped or for a medical reason going to the doctor. Why is it left so open that basically just anybody can use and why don't we do something about it. Ms. Gearheart advised they have done some pretty extensive work sessions with the Board. One of the items they looked at was changing the age to sixty-five (65) or over. However, when they looked at the ridership, they did not have anyone so the Board decided to leave the eligibility as it was. If the Board so desires, it can be changed. Supervisor Bedrosian stated he does not have a problem with the age, to restate, he has an issue with it being open to public over sixty (60). If it was just for people sixty (60) or over that are physically or mentally challenged. He would like to make it one group versus two. Mr. Gates stated this issue was discussed in the budget work sessions this year and he committed to the Board to take a look at this program for fiscal year 2017; we did not have time to look at the details. He therefore recommends the Board approve the contract so that we can continue to provide service. If you want to make changes to the program, that can be done next year. Supervisor Bedrosian stated he has asked for this two (2) years in a row. He is willing to vote for it, but wants it to zero in on the people who are physically and mentally challenged over sixty (60). If there is an issue with tightening this up, he would like to know. Chairman Peters stated he hears what Supervisor Bedrosian is saying, but knows people that are in their seventies who cannot drive anymore. This is the only transportation they have to get to and from doctors. He does not believe there are people out there that is "free -loading" on the system. Supervisor Church commented he can recall at least two or three work sessions over the years. We have taken some hard looks to see if there was abuse. The ridership is necessary to take care of our people that need it. Ms. Gearheart responded staff and the Board took a hard look at this program in 2010 and made some changes. The age factor was looked at. The Board decided at that time there were people who had a need that needed the service. Supervisor Church stated staff should take a look at this program on a continuing basis. Supervisor McNamara stated he had a problem with the cost, why cannot we just reimburse cab fees. The reason the cab would not work, is that this is for people who are primarily special needs with special services. A cab is not a substitute. Secondly, he does not believe anyone is comfortable with a sixty (60) year old living in Hunting Hills riding. His recollection is that we used federal surface transportation funds and if we restrict, we would lose all the federal funds, which are subsidizing a large majority of this program. There is more to it than meets the eye and we can review this again next year. Supervisor Moore recommended to the Board that anyone who has not June 23, 2015 329 toured CORTRAN, go by and get the tour. It is an incredible facility; really does a great service for our citizens. On motion of Supervisor Peters to ratify and affirm an agreement with Unified Human Services Transportation Systems, Inc. to provide CORTRAN services for Roanoke County from July 1, 2015 through June 30, 2016, the motion carried by the following recorded vote- AYES- Supervisors Moore, Church, McNamara, Peters NAYES- Supervisors Bedrosian IN RE: REPORTS Supervisor Moore moved to receive and file the following reports. The motion carried by the following recorded vote- AYES- Supervisors Moore, Bedrosian, Church, McNamara, Peters NAYS- None 1. General Fund Unappropriated Balance 2. Capital Reserves 3. Reserve for Board Contingency 4. Outstanding Debt 5. Comparative Statement of Budgeted and Actual Revenues as of May 31, 2015 6. Comparative Statement of Budgeted and Actual Expenditures and Encumbrances as of May 31, 2015 7. Accounts Paid — May 31, 2015 8. Treasurer's Statement of Accountability per Investment and Portfolio Policy as of May 31, 2015 Chairman Peters recessed at 3-41 p.m. to the fourth floor for work session. IN RE: WORK SESSIONS 1. Work session to discuss recommended revisions to the Roanoke County Procurement Policy (Rebecca Owens, Director of Finance) The work session was held from 3-54 p.m. until 4-30 p.m. In attendance was Rebecca Owens, Director of Finance; Laurie Gearheart, Assistant Director of Finance; Ashley King, Purchasing Manager. 330 June 23, 2015 Ms. King provided the Board with a PowerPoint presentation and outlined the recommended revisions that staff would like to implement. Supervisor McNamara asked if a particular vendor must be chosen if it is the only one received with Ms. King responding in the negative stating the project would rebid. He then asked what if there were not four sources. Ms. King responded document the only three quotes and the research that was done and proceed. Supervisor Church inquired as to what benefit these proposed changes would create. Ms. King responded by moving Roanoke County to match the Commonwealth of Virginia it would allow departments to get what they need quickly by allowing delegation of authority. Audit will continue to be done and would also free up the Purchasing Department to spend more time on other items, i.e. vendor outreach. The limits have changed, but the budgets remain the same as approved by the Board. There will be more internal controls and will increase the frequencies of the audit. A new purchasing card will be implemented with more internal controls. Supervisor McNamara inquired when bonds are issued do we do a competitive analysis. Ms. Owens responded the last several issuances have been handled by a financial advisor following the County guidelines. Supervisor McNamara then asked if staff has done a competitive analysis on the 457 Plan with Ms. Owens responding it is part of NACo and agreements already in place. There is a third party audit that is done. Supervisor Moore asked if US Communities were utilized with Ms. King responding in the affirmative citing especially for the school system. IN RE: PUBLIC HEARINGS AND SECOND READINGS OF ORDINANCES 1. The petition of Carl and Carol Slate to obtain a special use permit for a private stable in a R-11, Low Density Residential, District, on approximately 2.012 acres, located at 7904 Carvin Street, Hollins Magisterial District (Philip Thompson, Deputy Director of Planning) Mr. Thompson outlined the request for special use permit. He advised there were no changes from first reading. Chairman Peters opened and closed the public hearing. The following citizen spoke - Charles Dotson of 7802 Enon Drive stated he lived directly behind the property that is being discussed. He has a thirty-five (35) foot pool in his backyard and horses draw flys, smell, they get loose and you have occasional people from the Park that would walk over to visit the horses. He stated it is his understanding there will be nobody to supervise on site. He stated he has also been to businesses in the neighborhood and they were not notified of this. He went and talked to them personally. It effects them as much as it does them, maybe more. He just wished the Board would June 23, 2015 331 consider his $40,000 pool in his backyard. Supervisor Bedrosian asked Mr. Thompson about the comment that no businesses were notified. Mr. Thompson stated normally we notify the adjoining property owners, but in this case because it was a stable, staff notified everyone on Carvin Street, residential and business. There was no one that spoke at the public hearing so the other issues were not addressed. He advised there was one phone call from a lady, who did not speak at the hearing. There is a six-foot privacy fence on one side and split rail on the back. It is his understanding they are going to put a six-foot board on board privacy feet along the back. They do not want the horses to get in or anyone else to get in. Supervisor Church stated one of his questions was just answered, he was concerned with the privacy fence. He was going to ask about buffering because in his area he has had several requests. No matter where it is, there are proper steps taken to safeguard. Mr. Thompson advised there were certain standards associated. There can only be one horse, because it is only two acres (one horse to two acres). Staff would follow-up if there were any complaints. The Slates currently have this horse on Friendship, so it is not too far. We have not heard any complaints from where the horse is now. Supervisor Church asked if there were any proffers, with Mr. Thompson advising there were no conditions, but there are certain conditions that apply to a stable. Chairman Peters inquired if it was a full-grown horse with Mr. Thompson responding in the affirmative. ORDINANCE 062315-6 GRANTING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A PRIVATE STABLE ON APPROXIMATELY 2.012 ACRES LOCATED AT 7904 CARVIN STREET (TAX MAP NOS. 027.06- 03-12.00) HOLLINS MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT, UPON THE PETITION OF CARL SLATE AND CAROL SLATE WHEREAS, Carl and Carol Slate have filed a petition for a special use permit for a private stable to be located at 7904 Carvin Street (Tax Map Nos. 027.06-03-12.00) in the Hollins Magisterial District; and WHEREAS, the Planning Commission held a public hearing on this matter on June 2, 2015; and WHEREAS, the Board of Supervisors of Roanoke County, Virginia, held a first reading on this matter on May 26, 2015; the second reading and public hearing on this matter was held on June 23, 2015. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED by the Board of Supervisors of Roanoke County, Virginia, as follows - 1 . That the Board finds that the granting of a special use permit to Carl and Carol Slate for a private stable on 2.012 acres located at 7904 Carvin Street in the Hollins Magisterial District is substantially in accord with the adopted 2005 Community Plan, as amended, pursuant to the provisions of Section 15.2-2232 of the 1950 Code of 332 June 23, 2015 Virginia, as amended, and that it shall have a minimum adverse impact on the surrounding neighborhood or community, and said special use permit is hereby approved. 2. That this ordinance shall be in full force and effect thirty (30) days after its final passage. All ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict with the provisions of this ordinance be, and the same hereby are, repealed. The provisions of this special use permit are not severable. Invalidation of any word, phrase, clause, sentence or paragraph shall invalidate the remainder. The Zoning Administrator is directed to amend the zoning district map to reflect the change in zoning classification authorized by this ordinance. On motion of Supervisor Bedrosian to adopt the ordinance, and carried by the following roll call and recorded vote- AYIES- Supervisors Moore, Bedrosian, Church, McNamara, Peters NAYS- None 1. Ordinance to increase the salaries of the members of the Board of Supervisors of Roanoke County pursuant to Section 3.07 of the Roanoke County Charter and Section 15.2-1414.3 of the Code of Virginia (Paul M. Mahoney, County Attorney) Mr. Mahoney outlined the ordinance and advised there were no changes from the first reading. Supervisor Bedrosian inquired if the Board votes on this every year with Mr. Mahoney responding it is discretionary. Supervisor Bedrosian stated he had received an email from the County Attorney, which he assumed everyone did asking if the Board wanted the subject brought up. Some people are under the impression that we have to do this every year, but we do not. The members of the Board could tell the County Attorney no and it would not be brought forward. Mr. Mahoney responded in the affirmative. Chairman Peters opened and closed the public hearing. The following citizens spoke - Warren Coburn wanted to know what the Board has done to earn this raise. When the supervisors ran for office, they knew what the salary was going to be. He does not understand how you can just vote yourself a raise. It must be nice. Normally, this seems like something that would go to the citizens of Roanoke County to give the Board a raise. His supervisor from the Cave Spring District, Ms. Moore, said a couple of weeks ago that she wanted to do more for the citizens of her district. Let me tell you what she has done for me. There is a monstrosity sitting right next to his property called Friendship Manor Rehab. It's supposed to have been a one story building. Go out and look at it. It is one story, but it has multiple levels and these multiple levels reach at least thirty -forty (30 to 40) feet high. If you have not been down June 23, 2015 333 that way, you need to go out there and look at this and thank Ms. Moore. This complex should have never been put in that little neighborhood of Crescent Heights. Since this project started in August, he has had to fight dust blowing on his vehicles, his windows and his porches. His whole house was shaken by machinery for three to four (3 to 4) straight days. They were trying to tamp some dirt down and his house shook for three to four (3 to 4) days. He has had to endure workers coming in at 4-00 a.m. in the morning and staying as late at 10-30 in the evening. The noise ordinance is a joke. Nobody enforces noise. At a quarter after six this morning, he was awakened by machinery over at this project. He really does not see any economic benefit from this. He sees two or three (2 to 3) twelve (12) passenger vans that have North Carolina license plates on them. He does not know if they are coming from North Carolina every day or what. Other vehicles have other area codes; there is a couple of local companies that he sees out there; roofing and communications companies. Since this started there has been somewhere between 15,000 and 20,000 vehicles passing within sixty (60) feet of his backdoor, thank you Ms. Moore. Supervisor McNamara commented to the Chairman that all remarks should be made to the Chair as a whole and not an individual member. Mr. Coburn stated thank you to the Board for all this traffic that goes behind his back door every day. All he wants to say is that he is planning on letting his neighbors and fellow citizens know how you people vote. He stated go ahead and have your vote and hopes they enjoy the raise. He knows this has already been decided. He is wasting his breath. He stated they say that a sign of insanity is to keep doing the same things over and over expecting different results. Supervisor Bedrosian stated he had a few comments to make. He had asked our attorney in the beginning whether we had to vote on this because he has heard people talk about this like it was something you have to every year whether you are going to vote it up or down. The reality is that we have a lot of business that we conduct here and why we add giving ourselves a raise and bring that up as an issue every year; at least the two years he has been on the Board, he does not understand. We do not have to bring this up. We do not have to waste anybody's time on talking about raises. He wanted to make that clear, we do not have to bring this up, we should never bring this up in fact and that is not why we are here. We are here to do the business of the people and if we don't want to do the business of the people for what we knew was the pay, then we should not be doing this job. We should be doing something else. Obviously, he does not support this raise and never has. Last year he voted it down and gave the money back to Roanoke County because it is not his. We are allowed by Virginia law to do this and our charter does say that we can, but there are a lot of bad laws out there and we are legislators and we can continue blaming someone else that the law is there and obviously we have to abide by this law so that is why we keep raising our salaries, or we can just say it is a bad law and get rid of it, that is our job, we are legislators not just spectators anymore. We are the people that can actually change this. So, in tonight's discussion and he hopes there is a lot of 334 June 23, 2015 discussion on this. It is not about to him whether we deserve a raise, it is not about all the work we do for the citizens. It is about whether the citizens of Roanoke County should look at their County Supervisors voting themselves a raise and not be involved in that process. He has always stated that the only people that should give themselves a raise or are allowed to give themselves a raise are people that own companies. We do not own Roanoke County. The fact that we do not own Roanoke County makes it hard to give ourselves a raise. Again, it is not about whether we deserve it, it is not about the long hours people put into, it is about whether we should be doing it ourselves. There is a solution to this. Every Supervisor on this Board has stated how uncomfortable they are in voting for this. Well, he can alleviate that discomfort tonight and he will. Before he offers a substitute motion, he would like to take a look if he could, he put together something to show on the screen. A lot of times, people do not know what benefits we have in Roanoke County as Supervisors and thinks it is good for the citizens to know. It may be hard to read, so he will read out loud. We receive a salary of approximately $17,500, roughly. We are committed to two (2) meetings a month; that is our commitment. Actually, he had to be out of the country once and missed a meeting. Basically we have to be here. A ten (10) hour commitment that you have to be here. That is $145 an hour, if just looking at the ten (10) hours, not bad. Even if you put in four (4) times that amount of work. Let's say not only do you put in ten (10) hours a month, but you go out of your way and you are out there talking to citizens and you put in forty hours a month; that is about $40 an hour for a Supervisor's job. The Chairman and Vice Chairman receive on top of that an additional $1,800 and $1,200, respectively. They do a little more work. They have to put together the agenda and this is all paid for by the citizens. Three of the Board members on this group receive health benefits from Roanoke County. The fact is that two of us don't because we work for companies that provide healthcare. This is an extremely nice benefit to have. In his company that he works for he is told that benefit alone, which is about the same that Roanoke County has, is worth several thousand dollars a year. If they actually had to go out and buy that in the marketplace, several thousand dollar. That benefit is paid for by the Roanoke County taxpayers. At each meeting, like tonight's meeting and every other meeting we have, we are provided dinner upstairs at taxpayers' expense. He looks at that as being okay as we are here working through dinner hours. He is trying to say when he points out all these things, you are good to us. Taxpayers, if we are working long hours and work through dinner, you provide dinner for us. Thank you. Sometimes it is nice just to say thank you to County citizens for paying for that. Almost every week of the year since he has been on this Board, almost every day of the year, you will find that there is an invitation to an event or free ticket to some local event. Again, is that wrong, is that right- that is a toss-up as we are representing the County. He gets invited to an event in Nortl� County and he goes. Last night it was at Chick-fil-A for their premiere opening and that is his responsibility as he is kind of like an ambassador to Roanoke County when he goes to these events. This is a nice benefit to have as a Supervisor of Roanoke County. He just wanted to dispel these myths that the Board work long hours June 23, 2015 335 and just need more to keep up and is a very nice benefits. Events, all over Roanoke County, the Board gets invited to for free, some in Roanoke County that we give money to, which he has disagreed with. We get free tickets to go to any event. You could almost go to an event every week of the year, football games, etc. These are nice benefits for benefits. Every year there is a Virginia Association of Counties meeting. Last year it was at the Homestead Resort- this year it is at the Greenbrier. We are invited to go and it is paid for. He thinks th�t is over the top. He does not go to those meetings because he thinks it is excessive. He thinks it is excessive to go to those resorts and have meetings with people and that is provided. Board members go. It is paid for by the citizens of Roanoke County. Each Board member is given a laptop, an Phone and Pad. He took two out of three and thinks others have taken all of them or two out of three. It is given to do their job. Again, he is just presenting how well you treat us. He stated he has a laptop to do County business. He can take it home and use it. He has an Pad; he did not need an Phone because he already had one. He pays that expense, but Board members can get a free Phone. All your minutes are taken care of. You have all the IT support that you need for the laptop and Pad. He is just telling you that this is not a bad job to have. Don't ever let anybody tell you that they are working too long and they need a raise. Finally, we are each given an office upstairs, which is nice. He thinks that is appropriate. He goes to work and he has to come up here to get something. He can sit down and do his work or Board work. Other Board members do that also. Again, you treat us very well. You give us wonderful benefits to have, over the top. The Board's salary is $17,500 and even if we work 40 hours a month it is $40 an hour. This is not a bad salary for Roanoke County and then you top it with all the other benefits. He would like to propose a substitute motion. He has spoken with our attorney; he actually wanted it on this agenda today but it could not make it. The State of Virginia has their code, which then gives us a charge. Section 3.07 of the Roanoke County charter allows us to vote for our own raises. We can amend it. We can amend the charter. He asked the County attorney to write something up and he was going to present it at our meeting today, but it was not allowed on the meeting, but he wants to add it as a substitute motion that we would add item 4 on our Charter and would say, "No such ordinance (meaning the salaries) shall be adopted unless the voters in the County shall approve such salary increase by referendum." We can do that. We can put that in our Charter. So we could vote for a raise, but it will not be approved until the voters of Roanoke County give the final okay. The reality tonight is that people are going to do what they want to do. He cannot force anybody; he is outvoted. There is always going to be a four to one vote; three to one vote, he is going to be outvoted. But, he is telling everyone that there is a better way to do this that he thinks the citizens of Roanoke County would appreciate. A lot of people just really get turned off by government and this is one of the most arrogant things he can think of for a group of people to get elected and then stand up here and say we need more money, not for us it is for you and we vote for and we give ourselves a raise. So, he offers this substitute motion. You can vote it up or down, but that would be to add Item 4 to our 336 June 23, 2015 County Charter that would state that we cannot adopt a pay raise unless the voters in Roanoke County approve it by referendum. The referendum will cost us about $400. You have to advertise it in the newspaper and then citizens can vote on it. It is a $400 cost and he thinks it would be well worth it. The other way we could do it is never bring this up again and then we would not have to do a referendum. This is his substitute motion; to add Item 4 to our Charter so that the voters in Roanoke County will have to approve any salary increases. Supervisor Church asked the Clerk to keep Mr. Bedrosian's chart back up on the screen so that he can remember some of the items. He stated what he is going to say is for him only, he is speaking for himself and in no particular order. First of all, he did not vote for this and did not plan to vote for it tonight. In full disclosure, in previous years, there has been years that he has voted for it. Our Board usually did unanimously. Does it make it right or wrong, that is for the citizens to judge. He has made a statement before and he knows it is factual, but he is the poorest of the five up here and that is a fact. With his $17,000, he makes about $30,000 a year total and that is not a lot of money by any stretch of the imagination, but if you look at the hours, he wished he could work forty (40) hours a month. He is averaging thirty-five (35) hours a week, but it is still good money, but he does not make the $100 an hour. One time, he stated, when there were a lot of heavy-duty issues in his area, he thinks he made minimum wage. If there were an asphalt plant or a jail, where it was eight (8) days a week; he is not complaining as he knew what the salary was when he ran for office. The private office is correct. The only time that he has used a private office was when he was Chairman and that is a necessity. He thinks he has been to this building, and will try to be conservative, in the last six (6) months and other than Board meeting days, three (3) times. A couple of times on the weekend; he noticed Supervisor McNamara was here as well. He came and did some work because he could not get internet coverage at his home. He is at the end of the line with Verizon, so it works only half the time and that is why the Pad comes in handy for him. Sometimes if there is a storm, then he does not have anything so he comes to the County building. He is one of the people who gets health insurance, and he does appreciate it. The last time he went to a VACo meeting anywhere was eight to ten years ago. He just quit going because he felt it was over the top; $200-$300 a night. He does not go to those. He does go to some softball games, basketball games at the Salem Civic Center, they are not outrageous, but are still a benefit, $10 to $15. He enjoys watching and associating with people from the Roanoke Valley. As far as the money, he has already mentioned the money; he is not ashamed of it. The raise, if he voted for, would have been approximately $12 every two weeks, but he would have cleared $10.50, but who needs that for all the interior grief that he feels that the Board should not be sitting up here and give themselves a raise. He is very uncomfortable; if we never brought it up again it would suit him. He does not intend to vote for it, he has in full disclosure voted for it in the past. You can check the records. He wished that the Board never had to deal with this item. He is not defending himself, but he is letting the citizens know that he does not make $145 an June 23, 2015 337 hour, it is more like $7 to $8 an hour. Everybody's time that you put in for your people are different. He has one hundred and twenty-five (125) square miles to cover. Big enough to put Roanoke City and Salem inside his district two and one half (2 1/2) times. The reason he is telling this is that when goes to visit a neighbor, it may be five or fifteen (5 or 15) miles away and he does routinely. So, it is not a complaint, it is just a fact that his area goes from Montgomery County line to Craig County and down to North Roanoke- it is huge. So, he is not saying he does not deserve $17,000 a year, he does. He work� more than $17,000. Supervisor Moore stated this raise will not affect the sitting Board one way or the other and she is okay with either way that it is voted on tonight. She is frequently asked the question, what do Board members do except for two (2) meetings a month. One of our responsibilities is to serve on Boards and Commissions. It is important that we attend these meetings so that we can be engaged with our local, state and federal partners. This allows us to communicate and discuss what our needs are. We have an opportunity to discuss things like 173, transportation, passenger/rail, broadband, livable communities, stormwater regulations, BPOL tax, unfunded mandates, education, economic development, healthcare, work force development, meals tax, body cameras, Comprehensive Services Act (CSA), unemployment and land uses and many more issues. These issues can affect us economically, environmentally, socially and financially. So, it is really important that we discuss these issues with our other representatives. She is now serving on about ten (10) of these boards and committees. Some other responsibilities of the Board are meeting the citizens about their concerns, look at properties that we are asked to be rezoned, attend Community Meetings, attend hall meetings and meet with our legislators, meet with or talk with organizations like the Chamber, businesses and other non -profits, attend openings for new businesses so that we can be supported and let other citizens know what these businesses do. Joe McNamara and I will attend one tonight at 6-00 p.m. for a grand opening on Brambleton Avenue. We return phone calls, we research issues, new projects and see how they will affect our citizens and businesses. We have joint meetings with the School Board and we need to be prepared for our Board meetings. At times, we have had four hundred (400) pages on our agenda. We need to go over these, research them, preview them, have questions, make phone calls and know what the issues are about before we get here in this chair. These are just some our elected duties; there are a lot more. We do take our jobs seriously. Will there be passionate candidates who want to lead our County in twenty (20) years for the same salary that this Board is making now. They should be compensated also for their economic growth. A reasonable way to ensure that we will gradually increase these salaries is to give these small, slight raises so that we can get good candidates, we can get good, passionate representatives for our citizens in the future. She stated she thinks it is good judgment to want to lead this County responsibly. Supervisor Peters stated he wanted to add a few things that he thinks are interesting. The Supervisor from Hollins refers to how much time we put in. He figured 338 June 23, 2015 it out and Supervisor Church is right. He figured it up for the last few weeks and he stated he is averaging twenty-five to thirty-two (25 to 32) hours a week. At thirty-two hours a week it is $10.47 an hour. We deal with stormwater issues (these are things he has dealt with over the last few days), issues of trash coming off the school lot, we have this rezoning request and things that you have to go and visually look at. It is one of those cases, when he refers to arrogance he thinks it is very arrogant for a Board member to send out emails that he will not copy other Board members to talk about how they voted in the first reading and lays them all out. If anyone is paying attention, when he votes and did the same as a planning commissioner, he does not think he has ever voted against anything on a first reading, whether it is a pay raise, a zoning request, a private stable, whatever the case may be. He thinks these things need to go through the process. In this process, it provides an opportunity to seek out civic groups in his district and contact people that he knows and ask what are their thoughts. So, he believes he is right, there is a lot of arrogance there, a lot of misrepresentation on emails that are being sent out and purposely not sent to other Board members. The other issue that he wants to bring up is the issue of "why now." He views this purely as a political game. We have had eleven months since the last vote and now we want to change everything between a first and second reading when you have had eleven months to contact our delegates in Richmond to work with us as a Board, to work with our County Attorney and to back up, he was right. We did receive an email from our County Attorney referring to this raise tonight and he, based on this Board, believe in transparency and he believed it should be put out there. This is a part of the County's business. So whether it passes or fails, as Chairman he believes it is part of the business of this County and that is why he decided and yes he decided as Chairman to have this move forward on the agenda. Supervisor McNamara stated it is a shame, it really is a shame and he did not think Roanoke County would get to the point where Board members are calling other Board members arrogant and immoral over a two and one half percent (2 1/2%) raise. Someone says. "Did you see Channel 10, what you are talking about is immoral?" There is nothing immoral. He will tell you what is immoral, talking about the last ten raises in the last thirteen years, but we are all the beneficiary of these raises. He thinks it is immoral to send out an email to talk about an option for raising pay that is not currently legal in the General Assembly. It is not currently legal. So, all the Board members probably got fifteen to twenty (15 to 20) emails back saying the citizens should decide our raises. One of the ones from Windsor Hills, he sent an email back and said that is fine, but it is not the law that we live in. This has not been the law as long as he has been associated with this Board. He stated he thinks putting it out to voters as a referendum, he would be fine with that, but as he understands the substitute motion it refers to all the citizens of Roanoke County. He wants to be voted on by Windsor Hills about him. He does not want to be lumped in with perhaps another supervisor that someone may not like. They may not think they are being positive for Roanoke County and that is why he would not support that motion. He thinks it is June 23, 2015 339 politics, pure politics and he is ashamed, ashamed of it. Two and one half percent (2 1/2%), the Supervisor from Cave Spring, two and one half percent (2 1/2%) does not make any difference. $10.00 or $12.00 does not make a difference, but twenty to thirty (20 to 30) years from now. Basically what we are saying is the Board of Supervisors should be an unpaid position. It is a valid argument, a valid argument. He does not subscribe to that argument because he believes that will limit our pool of successful people. He wants people who are motivated by money, some fair compensation. He does not want people who are interested in the job so that can further some other aspects of their career, which is what he believes will happen over time. He stated he did not support the motion. Chairman Peters asked the Clerk to repeat the motion. Ms. Jacks responded that the motion was to add Item 4 to the Roanoke County charter to state a pay raise could not be approved unless approved by referendum. Supervisor Bedrosian stated the verbiage that Mr. Mahoney gave him was no such ordinance shall be adopted unless the voters in the County approve such salary increase by referendum and added to the Charter as line item 4. Chairman Peters asked Mr. Mahoney if that was legal or something that we can even do. Mr. Mahoney responded when he spoke with Mr. Bedrosian last week, the intent to follow a procedure that is set out in State law to amend the County Charter. There are two different paths you can follow to amend the County Charter. One path is to have a referendum of the citizens and assuming that passes that would then be at the general election in November and then we would seek a patron who would introduce that legislation to amend the Charter in the 2016 session of the General Assembly. Supervisor Church stated is this what we are doing as far as taking it to the General Assembly. Mr. Mahoney stated it is a two-step process. The first step would be to have it on the general election ballot this November and then assuming it passed, the second step would be to have a patron (one of the delegates or senators from this area) to introduce that in January of 2016 because the charter is a legislative enactment of the General Assembly. So, when Mr. Bedrosian and I were speaking, he was seeking an opportunity to have citizens vote. One way to do that is a process to amend the County charter, the process involves a referendum and then going to the General Assembly. Supervisor Church asked if this would apply to the General Assembly themselves with Mr. Mahoney responding it would only happen to the Roanoke County Charter. Supervisor Church then asked if they have this mechanism in Richmond where they can or cannot, have or have not, acted on a merit raise for themselves. Mr. Mahoney responded their process is slightly different, but the members of the General Assembly would vote on increased salaries. His recollection of that process though is an intervening election must occur before it would go into effect. Supervisor Church then asked if it had happened often with Mr. Mahoney responding if it happened he just 340 June 23, 2015 cannot remember the last time he did. Supervisor Bedrosian stated Supervisor McNamara was correct it has been about thirty (30) years since they have given themselves a raise, which he feels is the right thing to do. Most of them find it not politically correct or good for them to give themselves a raise. He then asked for clarification. Tonight's vote would be we would be putting this out to the voters, so we would be adding item 4 to our Charter and our charter has three items, we would have a public hearing, adopt an ordinance establishing a salary and then that salary shall occur not earlier than May 1st no later than June 30th of each year. This is what is currently on our Charter for Roanoke County. He has asked to add item 4 that would say no such ordinance shall be adopted unless the citizens of Roanoke County approve. They are our bosses. Why does it always go back to how hard we work? It is not the issue. Regardless of the issue, everyone knew when they ran for office they were going to work hard. He put all those things up from ten to forty (10 to 40) hours just to give an example. Everybody is going to say they work hard; got it. The issue here is whether we as the people receiving the raise should be doing it themselves. It seems to him very obvious and he does think the act of voting for that is immoral. We should not; it is not our money. We should not be saying to the taxpayers, "we are voting for our own raise." It is unbelievable to him. This is why government gets a bad name because we do things like that. His clarification is that all we are saying here, which is hard to believe anybody would vote against. All we are doing is letting the voters have a say. What is wrong with letting the voters have a say. It seems pretty much what the American system is about. Let the voters have a say when they go to vote. It is funny, on this Board we change many things that "the way it was or the law." We have made amendments, we changed many things on the Board because we had the will to do so. Just because something is what it is today does not mean it cannot change and that is why we are elected. We are elected to be legislators to change what is wrong and to keep the things that are right and he views that this is wrong. This right that we are given to give ourselves a raise is wrong. All we are doing is adding item no. 4 that will let the voters in Roanoke County be the last say to approve our salary increase. This is all we are voting on right now, to add that item. How hard can that be? Why would that be wrong? Let the voters have a say. Chairman Peters stated the voters can still have their say, but the issue is and he has said this before. Mr. Bedrosian tried to put this on the agenda last week, we had not met as a Board in work session and would not be allowed to be put on this agenda. He still does not think this is the proper time to put this on the agenda. He does agree and has said this to him on the phone the other day that he too believes if we are going to do this by referendum he thinks the people of that district should get to vote on their supervisor. You are voting on what that person representing you is doing for you. Are they doing a good job for you? People in Vinton don't really know what Supervisor Church is going because he is not in their back yard. The people in Catawba need to vote for him and what he is doing. June 23, 2015 341 On motion of Supervisor Bedrosian to adopt the ordinance, and carried by the following roll call and recorded vote- AYES- Supervisors Bedrosian, Church NAYS- Supervisors Moore, McNamara, Peters Supervisor Church stated with his vote that he is not here to politicize anything. He has said all along that $10 or $12 is not going to cost him a loaf of bread. He would rather this not be in his vision and if the people want to vote us a two percent raise, great. If they don't, great. He is still happy with what he does and he enjoys what he does and thinks it should come back to the citizens to make a decision. Supervisor McNamara made a motion to deny the original motion. It is not worth it; it is really just not worth it. He listened to a radio show this morning that the Supervisor from Hollins was on encouraging people to throw pennies, to come to the meeting tonight and throw pennies at us because we need the money and that is pitiful. He agrees with the Supervisor from Catawba, it is not worth it, it is not appropriate and he is perfectly fine without the $10. He would be real interested, ten (10) hours a week on a Board of Supervisors job is an absolute joke and he would be ashamed to say he was working ten (10) hours week on this job. Supervisor Bedrosian stated something was specifically said was a lie, he needs to clarify it. A person on a radio show that he was on, and he thinks you need to say it like that was encouraging people to throw pennies, not Supervisor Bedrosian so Supervisor McNamara if you could please correct that statement. Supervisor McNamara stated he thinks he said that a show that you were on was encouraging people to throw pennies. It is very easy to sit on a show and throw mud at your fellow supervisors, week after week and say, "I did not say it, the person next to me was saying it." and then go back on the show. In his opinion, that is not part of being of good team player. Supervisor Peters stated like he said in the beginning, he voted on the first ordinance to let it move forward. He did take it to his citizens in his district and he had overwhelming support for this raise. He also has something that is unusual- he has another municipality within his district. Everybody knows that the Vinton i�lks had their real estate taxes raised this year to help with services in the Town and it was needed. They did not do anything that they should not have done. Even with the encouragement of the folks in Mt. Pleasant and even East County and he had made it clear to his Board members today that he would not support this because he does believe there are a lot of issues out there. He thinks it is very sad that there are emails from a Supervisor who he feels is trying to stir up discontent. We have other issues that we need to be working on, economic development. 342 June 23, 2015 Those kind of emails and the comments that we made are not helping the atmosphere for economic development. That is what we need to be working on. Maybe he was wrong as Chairman to put this on the agenda, but he felt like everybody wants transparency. This is part of government. This is part of what Roanoke County does. Here it is. Just because someone approves a first reading does not mean they are going to support it in the end. Supervisor Bedrosian asked for clarification if we were back to voting on the raise with Chairman Peters responding affirmatively stating the motion is to deny the raise. If you want the raise, you will vote no. If you want to deny the raise, you will vote yes. Supervisor Bedrosian stated he made a motion and that motion was denied. So we are back to the original motion. Chairman Peters responded if you want the raise, you will vote yes. If you do not want the raise you will vote no. ORDINANCE 062315-7 DENYING AN INCREASE OF THE SALARIES OF THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF ROANOKE COUNTY PURSUANT TO SECTION 3.07 OF THE ROANOKE COUNTY CHARTER AND SECTION 15.2-1414.3 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA WHEREAS, Section 3.07 of the Charter of the County of Roanoke provides for the compensation of members of the Board of Supervisors and the procedure for increasing their salaries; and WHEREAS, Section 15.2-1414.3 of the 1950 Code of Virginia, as amended, establishes the annual salaries of members of boards of supervisors within certain population brackets; and WHEREAS, the Board of Supervisors of Roanoke County, Virginia, has heretofore established the annual salaries of Board members at $17,425.20 by Ordinance 062414-11 and further has established the additional annual compensation for the Chairman for the Board to be $1,800 and for the Vice -Chairman of the Board to be $1,200; and WHEREAS, this section provides that the maximum annual salaries therein provided may be adjusted in any year by an inflation factor not to exceed five percent (5%); and WHERAS, the first reading on this ordinance was held on Jun 9, 2015; the second reading and public hearing will be held on June 23, 2015. NOW, THEREFORE, it is hereby ORDAINED by the Board of Supervisors of Roanoke County, Virginia, that the annual salaries of members of the Board of Supervisors of Roanoke County, Virginia, are hereby increased by an inflation factor of two point five percent (2.5%) pursuant to the provisions of Section 3.07 of the Roanoke County Charter and Section 15.2-1414.3 of the 1950 Code of Virginia, as amended. The new annual salaries shall be $17,860.83 for members of the Board. In addition, the June 23, 2015 343 Chairman of the Board will receive an additional annual sum of $1,800 and the Vice - Chairman of the Board will receive an additional sum of $1,200. This ordinance shall take effect on July 1, 2015. On motion of Supervisor McNamara to deny the ordinance, and carried by the following roll call and recorded vote- AYES- Supervisors Moore, Bedrosian, Church, McNamara, Peters NAYS- None IN RE: CITIZENS' COMMENTS AND COMMUNICATIONS Noah Tickle stated in case you do not know it, he is the Roanoke County Catawba Magisterial District representative of Common Sense. Our budget is now done. So, from here until next time, consider this. The Board of Supervisors legislated Roanoke County to be debt free and to remain so by (1) directing the County Attorney, County Administrator, financial staff all have meetings to plan a debt free Roanoke County. Because this will never happen the way things have always been. Staff will not do this because it has always been to go along to get along. It needs to be legislatively incentivized. Give them an excuse to do, give them legislation to do, give them incentive to do and they will do that. Being out of debt meaning paying no interest. We all know that. Once out of debt, with common sense take the money we would have paid as interest and put that in an incentive funds to gratefully/generously reward the administrative and financial staff with bonuses to keep us out of debt. They need an excuse. They need your legislation for that excuse. If the average homeowner household can be debt free/paying no interest so can Roanoke County staff develop that status for Roanoke County. Paying interest is anti -growth, frowned upon by business management modeling. The money that would be paid as interest used as incentive rewarding staff is money very well spent to have health governance. Out of debt, we can also reward Roanoke County Departments of Sheriff, Police, Rescue, Teachers and other employees, etc. that are compromised due to burdensome debt. Why do we fail to understand that incentivizing is the proper governance? State status is antigrowth. They talk of frameworks, models, formulas, etc., which are all destructive credit card mentalities. We should never keep wallowing around in this muck and is bad governance to go along to get along. Doug Phillips of 1244 Norer Avenue stated the Board has a difficult job and deserve to be commended for even wanting to run for the position. As Supervisor Church pointed out, he knew what he had as a starting salary, so it kind of puzzled him when he read in the paper that maybe the idea was ten to twenty (10 to 20) years down the road it would be allowed to attract good candidates. He has talked to people about that and down where he lives, they responded it is typical politician. He just thinks it is a bad idea to want to raise your own salary. It is the perception, it conveys a very negative thing about government service. He also read in the paper and if allowed to 344 June 23, 2015 ask the Supervisors one question, he would ask is this true over the last fourteen years and ask if that is accurate or not. Then, he was really astounded as he has been a voter about ten (10) years in the district he is in, so he does not know if it is a good idea or not. He cannot think of any other statement. Like a contractor, once he bids and wants to raise it, it is something additional or he is going to cut himself right out of the business. He just does not think it is a good idea to do this and wanted to convey his thought. One other thing, it makes sense if you are going to do it to have the people vote on in, because it is like a merit evaluation of that particular district and see how they are doing. How are you doing in that district because it would not make sense across the Board as one Supervisor pointed out? IN RE: REPORTS AND INQUIRIES OF BOARD MEMBERS Supervisor McNamara stated he wanted to thank the Roanoke County citizens and the Roanoke County employees for their hard work. Just as a little aside, he was talking to somebody the other day and there is a company, we all work hard. There was conversation about ten hours a week, forty hours a weeks or thirty hours a week. The point is whether you are on the Board of Supervisors or a Roanoke County employee, you work hard. A lot of people work hard and that is the way America was built, which is why America has a high productivity rate and how we defeat the world. Some people even work harder. An example he saw last Thursday there is a bank in New York called Goldman Sachs, which is a worldwide bank and Goldman Sachs adopted a policy. The policy was for the interns, who are not full-time employees at this point and are usually between graduate programs or summer programs and not full time employees. Their interns are limited to seventeen (17) hours a day; they are not allowed to work more than seventeen (17) hours a day. He found that kind of interesting and did want to share it. So, when we think we are working too hard, there is probably somebody else working even harder. Hope everyone has a nice evening and is sorry for all the drama we had here tonight. It is certainly not productive and is certainly not something we want to participate in. Supervisor Moore stated this is an invitation from the Roanoke County Police Department, this Thursday, June 25, 2015, from 2-00 p.m. until 11 -00 p.m., the Police Department will be hosting a "tweet along," which is a virtual ride -along. All you have to do is tweet to their account, which is #ROCOPD. During the tweet along, they will be using the hashtag #ROCOPD tweet. You can also not only participate in the virtual ride -along but ask questions after you see what they are doing and you can actually be engaged with a Police Officer. If you are interested in that, go to that hashtag and join them on this Thursday. Supervisor Bedrosian stated he would like to congratulate Chick-fil-A. It is an interesting story with Chick-fil-A because we had a lot of drama about Chick-fil-A about a year ago, which he voted against them establishing their place right there in Bonsack. It was very interesting and one of the tougher things he has done since he June 23, 2015 345 has come on Board. It was done because he just did not feel at the time, it was the right place to have it. Reality is the other side won out. They put their Chick-fil-A there. He went there last night for their premiere pre -grand opening and it was wonderful. It just shows you that can be for something, against something and the reality is that it goes one way and it is fine. We can all go and enjoy ourselves and have a good time. He wished Bob the best of luck and his whole family. It is an interesting story. A lot of us know about Chick-fil-A, but when they say family -run business, you think well the guy owns it, but it is actually his wife, his daughter, his son and his soon to be son-in-law. All five of them from that same family had the Chick-fil-A outfit on. They all work there plus seventy-five other employees; they have roughly eight employees. His daughter, Madeline, who is sixteen was offered a job there last night by Bob. He appreciates it. He came around and said, "How old are you?" She replied, "Sixteen" and he said would you like a job, he needs more people. Madeline if you are listening you may want to consider that. They will have their grand opening on Thursday so want to tell everybody out there in the Bonsack area go out and enjoy it. Also, he also wants to say he does send out emails almost twice a month, talking about what goes on at the Board of Supervisors meetings and talk about what the next vote is about. Anybody on this Board who would like to be included can be, just let me know. He only puts people on who want to be included; just let him know. Also, he is invited on a radio show once a week and the host has stated he has invited anyone from the Board of Supervisors to come on the show. He has a history of radio and started his own radio show about ten (10) years ago and he loved it, he absolutely loved it so he was invited onto the show and every Board member on this panel has been invited. So anybody can go and talk about what is going on in Roanoke County. He just happens to go on Tuesday and talks about what is going on in Roanoke County. The host of the show is a whole lot more passionate than he is. So, check the voices of who is saying what. He is just a guest on the show and he does enjoy his part of being on the show. Thank you all for being here. Government is a great thing and he always tells people you have to get involved. This is the process of government. What happened here tonight is nothing unusual and no one should be ashamed; this is what we should be doing on every issue. It is very hard, our founding fathers told us that, it would not be easy to keep the kind of government that we have and he sees that in government. It always goes toward big government. It is very hard to have a limited government where the elected officials are really accountable to the citizens. The citizens call the shots, so it is a very difficult thing. This is what it is. He thanked his fellow Board members for allowing him to be a part of this. Supervisor Church stated he was not going to say much, but tonight he thinks he does need to say something. He really enjoys being a Board member. He really enjoys giving his best effort to take care of the people he represents. Some meetings he enjoys more than others, for sure. The bottom line is the democratic process in the sixteen (16) years, he has been at the bottom of the vote, at the middle of the vote and the top of the vote. You do the best you can and when the votes are cast 346 June 23, 2015 you go forward. There are a lot of people, citizens that hold certain items inside them and never let go. The one that keeps coming up all over is the Green Ridge Recreation Center. He has to ask himself, do you want it to fall down? It was built four or five years ago. For example, when they never quit on an item, it makes him wonder. Are you hoping the bricks fall out? Let's just move forward. Most of you know, he used to referee college basketball and it taught him more than anything in the world. He is used to being in 18,000 people that all bought a ticket to see him fail every night. It is amazing to be in Oklahoma, Texas or wherever and they know his pets names, his nickname, they call from the stands. This is not by chance. So, what he enjoys doing is what he was doing last week and not worrying about a raise. Gunshots were fired in a few neighborhoods, "Butch, help me." We have potholes that is going to tear my vehicle up, "Butch, help me." We have a situation where we cannot back out on the road because we are going to get ourselves killed; it's a blind spot, "Butch, please help me." This is what comes to his email and his phone every day. Not to mention the Mountain Valley Pipeline that happens to be all over my district, 125 square miles, so he gets eight or ten calls and ten or twelve emails a day just on that. It is not like he is looking for something to do. He really sincerely enjoys what he does. He really feels like and has told State and Federal legislators that we are in touch with our people twenty (20) to one (1) than they are. They can grab him at Wal-Mart, Kroger, in the Park and they do. They give him notes on Burger King napkins, "will you please take care of this?" When he first started, he accepted those, but now he gives them his card and ask them to call him at home or email and he will help. He is amazed at how many people stop him and say, "What do you guys do with all the money you make?" He is not exaggerating. There are people who think we make $65,000 and has had guesses from $15,000 to $75,000 and he responds, "I wish." So, what he tells people and he really means this, and tells the people that he really knows, "Look, I started out with nothing and he still has most of it." Chairman Peters commented it has been an interesting evening. Again, he thinks we do not need to "judge a book by its cover' and ask questions if you want to know the answers. He thinks it would be appropriate Supervisor Bedrosian if you are going to reference the Board members he would request that all Board members receive a copy of the emails. He guesses the conversation that has bothered him over the last little bit, we have consumed our citizens with something that at the end of the day really does not matter. A $400 raise or a $2,100 budget item, it does not matter when we have issues like Home Shopping Network. We have things that have gone on in our economy. He sits here as Chairman and say as far as he is concerned and hopes he has support on the Board that he believes our Economic Development Team is our sales department of Roanoke County and we need to give them the tools they need to promote Roanoke County to businesses, not only that are here now to help them expand, but also to find a way to bring new businesses here to fill that 400,000 sq. ft. warehouse over in the Hollins District. He believes that we need to step up our game in Roanoke County and if anyone knows about the Ardagh situation on Hollins Road June 23, 2015 347 that came two years ago. We had an incentive package to help bring it here. We were in competition with seven (7) other localities. It is no secret, he works for a bank, Supervisor Bedrosian works for Xerox, Supervisor Church used to sell insurance and the other two (2) own companies. He does not care what you do in life, you are in competition. If there is a mindset out that it stops at government's door, it is simply not true. We are talking about Roanoke County, the Commonwealth of Virginia and the Federal government. The jobs have left our country to go overseas. We are in constant competition. For Roanoke County, which we are responsible, he believes this Board needs to step up its game. We need to give our economic development team the tools that they need to incentivize businesses to come here because the trend we are on is not a good one. He does believe we can turn it around. He does believe we have a lot of good people in place who can go out and advocate for us, not only here in the valley, but in Richmond. We welcome partners to help develop a lot of the properties that we have identified as possible sites. He would like to direct staff to begin the process. He has made it clear, actually Channel 7 and an interview with Joe Dashiell that we are putting together a timeline to bring some of the business community together to have this discussion of what are we doing right and what are we doing wrong? What do we need to do? This is to mainly help our existing businesses but will also need to know what we can do to foster the growth of other businesses coming here. He again congratulated the Parks and Recreation Department as he has been told that the William Byrd clean out is ending and there are nothing but some library books that are left out on the public surplus site. If you need books, go check them out. Again, wants to touch on Chick-fil-A in Bonsack. The ribbon cutting is on Thursday at 9-00 a.m. Unlike Supervisor Bedrosian, he does not want everybody to show up at the sa*me time because it could be a bad issue on Rt. 460. Come by and see us, they are actually opening at 6:30 a.m. We are excited to have it down there. There are a lot of citizens from both the Hollins and Vinton districts that are very excited about that. Thank you for coming and thanks to his Board members for their participation tonight. IN RE: ADJOURNMENT Chairman Peters adjourned the meeting at 8:17 p.m. Approved by- . Jas n Peters C61hair an