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PUBLIC HEARING MINUTES
AUGUST 2, 2022
Commissioners Present:
Mr. Kelly McMurray, Chairman
Mr. Wayne Bower
Mr. Rick James
Mr. Jim Woltz
Commissioners Absent:
Mr. Troy Henderson, Vice-Chairman
Staff Present:
Mr. Phillip Thompson, Secretary
Ms. Rachel Lower, Senior Assistant County Attorney
Ms. Rebecca James
Mr. Will Crawford
Ms. Cecelia Thomas, Recording Secretary
Call to Order
Mr. McMurray called the meeting to order at 4:07 p.m.
Approval of Agenda
Mr. James made a motion to approve the agenda, which passed 4-0.
Approval of Minutes
Mr. Woltz made a motion to approve the July 5, 2022 minutes, which passed 4-0.
Consent Agenda
1. The petition of ABoone Real Estate, Inc., to rezone approximately 32.32 acres
from R-1, Low Density Residential, District, to C-2 ,High Intensity Commercial
District, and R-3, Medium Density Multi-Family Residential District, to construct a
hotel and townhouses located in the 1300 and 1400 blocks of Edgebrook Road,
Catawba Magisterial District.
Ms. James noted that Ms. Dunbar is still in charge of this case, but was unable to
attend tonight's meeting. She overviewed the revised concept plans submitted by Balzer
and Associates, and explained that the applicant has reduced the commercial area to
3.46 acres. She explained that they have increased the residential area to 28.286 acres
for a total of 80 townhomes. They have submitted proffers that: limits the commercial
use to a hotel, limits the height of the hotel to four stories, and that limits the number of
townhomes. Ms. James noted that another community meeting will not be held. Mr.
James questioned why exhibit C was not proffered when it includes the plantings. Ms.
James noted it does not need to be proffered because it is required due to the County
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code. Mr. James remarked on the previous community meeting and questioned what
the citizens could complain about that would have validity.
Mr. Thompson noted that many of their comments stem from what they envision the
property developing as a single family development. He noted that there used to be a
sign that showed a concept plan of a single family development. Many citizens assumed
that is how the land would be developed. He noted many citizens do not react well to
change. He noted that the subdivision off Edgebrook Road would have a better buffer
than if the area was graded and developed as a single family subdivision. He does not
think the residents like the idea of a hotel or townhouses. He noted that the developer
has moved the hotel away from the adjacent neighbor, which was a problem at the
community meeting. He noted that if you look at exhibit B, the developer attempted to
move the hotel into the area designated as Core use on the future land use map. He
noted that the developer stated that they reached out and looked into having a three-
story hotel, but that eliminates the possibility of many national chains that require four
floors. He explained they decided not to have office buildings. He noted that they have
completed a traffic study that has been signed off on by VDOT. He noted that the
applicant did take some time to look at the concerns that were raised by the community.
Staff is planning to have overflow for the public hearing, as well as additional staff. Mr.
Bower commented on the topography and questioned if the hotel will be seated any
lower. Mr. Thompson noted that he believes the hotel is in a fill area. Mr. James
questioned if there are any height requirements in Core. Mr. Thompson noted that there
is not. Mr. Woltz questioned if the price point is ever a factor. Mr. Thompson noted that
many concerns with land use cases involve neighbors being concerned their property
values with drop. Mr. Thompson explained that the townhouses may cost less than the
single family homes around it, but it is a different type of housing.
2. A proposed amendment to the Roanoke County Comprehensive Plan. The
proposed amendment would amend the 419 Town Center Plan, which is a
component of the Roanoke Comprehensive Plan, by incorporating the Roanoke
County 419 Town Center Design Guideline into the 419 Town Center Plan.
Mr. Thompson noted that last fall staff and the Planning Commission held a work
session with the consultants on developing these design guidelines. There was also a
community meeting in the spring to gain public feedback. He noted the joint work
session with the Board of Supervisors and Planning Commission that happened in May.
He explained that staff provided the consultants with changes after the joint work
session. He noted that there are a few ways that staff plans to utilize the guidelines. Mr.
Thompson explained that by incorporating the design guidelines into the
Comprehensive Plan it provides more weight when requesting applicants to comply with
the guidelines through a rezoning or special use permit, incorporating aspects into the
overhaul of the zoning ordinance, economic incentives if companies comply with certain
standards, and using the recommendations to strengthen SmartScale applications. He
explained that since the design guidelines were funded by the Office of Intermodal
Planning and Investment. Mr. Woltz noted that Mr. Mahoney had suggested
incorporating this into the Comprehensive Plan. He questioned if it would be better to
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have it be a separate set of guidelines versus having it be the standards everywhere.
Mr. Thompson clarified that the 419 Design Guidelines will only be applicable to Route
419, even if they are adopted into the Comprehensive Plan. Mr. Thompson noted that
even though the document has been finalized by the consultants, the Planning
Commissioners are still able to request changes. Mr. Bower questioned if there are any
changes that he or staff would recommend making. Mr. Thompson noted that staff
submitted their changes before the consultants submitted their final document.
Mr. Thompson explained that should the County apply for transportation funding, the
419 Design Guidelines being in the Comprehensive Plan provides more weight than just
a document the department had generated. Mr. Bower noted that there may be financial
compensation if applicants follow guidelines. He questioned where that compensation
would come from. Mr. Thompson answered that the County had previously had an
economic analysis of the market that resulted in data showing that for the catalyst sites
to develop as shown in the plan would require incentives. He noted there are a variety
of tools for incentives. He gave the example of Tanglewood Mall. He noted that there
has been more outparcel construction in recent months, which is removing some
parking spaces. He explained that they are close to the threshold where they are at
regarding parking. Mr. Woltz questioned if Tanglewood has used most of the parking,
the 419 Town Center Plan will not be possible unless there is structured parking. Mr.
Thompson noted that there is an evolution of the property in the 419 Town Center Plan.
He questioned how long some of the stores occupying the bigger spaces will last, and
how that will play out. Mr. James questioned how he would be able to find the 419 Town
Center Plan if it is incorporated into the Comprehensive Plan. Mr. Thompson explained
that it will be listed as being included in the Comprehensive Plan and will be available
for public view on the website. Mr. Thompson noted that many of the community plans
will be incorporated into the Comprehensive Plan, but not all of them. Mr. James
questioned what would not be included. Mr. Thompson explained that some of the
previous plans would be incorporated into the planning summary for that area instead of
using the previous community plan.
Mr. Bower made a motion to approve the consent agenda, which passed 4-0.
Zoning Ordinance Amendments
Ms. James overviewed the history of the White Pelican halfway house. She noted that
she had provided handouts that included the Board of Supervisor's resolution, the
definition of a halfway house per the Roanoke County code, and her determination letter
dated July 28th. She explained that she was informed that a house was being
purchased with the intent of being used as a halfway house on White Pelican Lane. She
noted that this complaint from neighbors went directly to the Board of Supervisors. She
started speaking with the neighbors and inspecting the property. She received the
address of the house and reached out to the Virginia Department of Behavioral Health
and Development Services to see if Pinnacle had acquired any licensing to be operating
a facility at that location. They responded stating they did not have anything for the
location on White Pelican Lane. She discovered the organization was named Pinnacle
and researched what they were proposing. She got in contact with the Executive
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Director and the Regional Licensing Director. She explained it was very hard to get any
information about what they were proposing for the property on White Pelican Lane.
Meanwhile, she continued to receive many complaints from the neighbors who lived
near the location. She noted that Doug Blount reached out to Pinnacle regarding the
zoning determination and those emails are included in her determination letter. Those
emails are the first explanation of the proposed use, even though it was already
operating. She explained that residents had moved into the home owned by Pinnacle on
July 5th. She noted that Peter Lubeck, the County Attorney, had updated the Board of
Supervisors throughout the process. She noted that Pinnacle claimed that there was no
treatment or supervision happening at the location on White Pelican Lane and that it
was strictly residential. She noted that during one inspection they were able to inspect
the house and witnessed cameras being installed in every room. She noted that the
definition of a halfway house is a "and" definition where it must meet all the
requirements to be defined as such. Mr. Thompson overviewed the definition of a
halfway house. Mr. Thompson noted that they came up with 3 potential scenarios. He
noted that it could be listed as a single family residential home—five unrelated people
living in a home together, halfway house, or if the zoning administrator cannot make a
determination as to a certain definition the list is prohibited. Mr. Thompson noted that
the ADA states that a person with a dependency is classified as disabled and is
protected under law. Doug Blount had a phone call and followed up with an email, the
zoning administrator determined that the location is a halfway house. Ms. James had
received a request from a citizen for a written zoning determination letter. Neighbors
who had complained received a copy of the letter. Pinnacle received a different letter
and a sign posted on the property stating that the current use is a zoning violation. Mr.
Lubeck noted that Pinnacle is able to request an accommodation under federal law.
Currently, a halfway house is only allowed in Roanoke County by a special use permit in
C-2 and AV. The Board resolution is looking at whether or not halfway houses should
be allowed by-right in C-2, and if use and design use standards should be considered.
Mr. James questioned if there is a chance that they will appeal the decision to the Board
of Zoning Appeals. It was noted that they probably will. Mr. James questioned if it is
required by federal law that the County provide accommodations. Mr. James noted he
wants to know what the County is required to do. Ms. Lower noted they would work on
getting that information for them. Mr. Thompson noted that anyone, citizens or Pinnacle
can appeal the Zoning Administrators decision and go to the Board of Zoning Appeals.
Mr. Thompson noted that occupants stay for 30-45 days. He knows that Pinnacle has a
location in Roanoke City that is being sued. He reiterated that the Board of Supervisors
wanted the Planning Commission to look at halfway houses. Mr. Thompson noted that
any uses that deal with mental health and addiction needs to be reviewed with an
update of the zoning ordinance to update the language and uses that currently exist. Mr.
Bower questioned where they legally would be able to move to. Mr. Thompson
answered that they would need to purchase land that was zoned A-V or C-2 and
acquire a special use permit to be able to operate. Mr. Bower questioned if it was
reasonable to assume they would move and apply for a special use permit. Ms. Lower
noted that if she were Pinnacle she would not take her chances and assume that
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Roanoke County was going to approve a special use permit at this point. Mr. Thompson
noted that there is an additional facility being purchased in Catawba. He noted that
Pinnacle staff had mentioned expanding more in the Roanoke Area. He explained this is
not a use that will be going away, and it needs to be addressed. Ms. Lower explained
that you live at the home with seven other men and you go to a treatment clinic during
the day for opioid addiction.
Mr. Bower questioned if Ms. James' determination would have been different had only
five people been living in the home. Ms. James noted her determination would not have
changed to residential use. Mr. Thompson explained that the Board of Supervisors
views this as commercial use since they are being paid. It is a business. Mr. James
noted that you would be allowed to do a short-term rental, an Air BnB in a residential
area. Mr. Thompson noted that you are not having eight people every night, and rotating
them every 30-45 days at a time. Mr. James noted that if you were to accommodate and
supervise them he struggles to see that as commercial use. Mr. Woltz noted that the
commercial use part of it is where they are sending people to a treatment program. Mr.
Thompson noted that there is staff on-site during the day. Mr. Woltz agreed that there
does need to be standards and guidelines if it is going to be allowed by right. Mr.
Thompson noted that if you require a special use permit, does it ever get approved. He
noted that it is one of the uses that generate a lot of traffic. Mr. Thompson noted that if
you allow it by-right in commercial properties that might not be seen as an
accommodation, as commercial properties tend to be more expensive than residential
properties. He noted it could be considered a financial burden. He noted that he
believes that is the direction that the Board of Supervisors would like the Planning
Commission to explore, but that is something that could be argued in court. Mr. Woltz
noted that they may also have costs for a change of use from the Building Department.
Mr. Thompson noted that there are plenty of residential homes in C-2 zoning districts.
Mr. Woltz noted that he believes the Planning Commission needs to be careful in
allowing such a use in residential areas. If it does not go against any federal laws, he
believes it would be best to investigate allowing the use in commercial and industrial
areas. Mr. Thompson noted that he believes that they understand the direction the
Planning Commission wants to go. Staff will do more research and bring suggestions
back to the Planning Commission.
Mr. Thompson discussed George Condyles' passing and working on wireless
communication facilities. He noted that they need to address definitions, districts it will
be allowed in, and use and design standards. He explained he started putting definitions
together. He noted the zoning ordinance currently only has four definitions that are
applicable. He overviewed class options regarding to height of cell towers. Mr. James
noted that he was under the impression that they wanted to eliminate anything over 100
feet. Mr. Thompson noted that they need to add some definitions to the zoning
ordinance. He noted many people allow the mini microcells by right because they are
required to by state code. Mr. Thompson noted that when you look at Class 1 it is
allowed pretty much in every zoning district, and Class 2 which is about 80 feet is by
right in AG and a SUP in residential and by right in commercial and industrial. He noted
that a cell tower from 199 down is allowed by right. Mr. James noted that his hesitation
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is that he does not know where technology is going. His understanding is that the tower
height has come down but the towers have gotten closer together. Mr. Woltz noted that
they could pick a number and miss it by 10 feet. Mr. Bower noted that he was told 80
feet would do a majority but 120 feet will cover the majority. Mr. Bower stated he would
want up to 120 feet allowed by right. Mr. Thompson noted that the microcells will have
to be allowed by right anyways. Mr. Thompson questioned what height the Planning
Commissioners would like to allow is Residential by right. Mr. Thompson noted that they
would measure it by the pole height and not include the height of the lightning rod. He
also noted that they need to have a discussion to ensure it does not affect the airport
overlay. Mr. Thompson also noted that they could consider design requirements in
residential areas to encourage stealth design.
Comments of Planning Commissioners and Planning Staff
There were none.
Adjournment for Dinner
With no further comments, the meeting was adjourned for dinner at 6:16 P.M.
Call to Order
Mr. McMurray called the meeting to order at 7:03 p.m.
Public Hearing Petitions
1. The petition of Insite Real Estate Investment Properties, L.L.C. to rezone
approximately 0.93 acre from R-2, Medium Density Residential District, to C-2,
High Intensity Commercial District, to construct a drive-in or fast food restaurant
(quick-serve coffee shop) located at 7515 and 7517 Friendship Lane, Hollins
Magisterial District. Mr. Crawford spoke about the background of the site.
Mr. James questioned the concern mentioned by the citizen regarding the reduction of
the buffer. Mr. Crawford clarified there had been a request for the buffer to be reduced,
but that request has not been approved as that will be addressed by the zoning
administrator during the site plan process. Mr. Crawford noted that the stormwater will
be addressed in the engineering process. Mr. Thompson assumes they will do
underground stormwater retention, but the applicant can speak to their plans.
Mr. James questioned if a traffic impact analysis has been submitted. The VDOT
representative, Ashley Mothena, spoke to the Planning Commission and noted that they
have submitted the first submittal of the traffic impact analysis, but it has not been
reviewed. Mr. Thompson questioned if the main concern of VDOT would be traffic
backing up on Plantation Road. Ms. Mothena answered that VDOT's concerned with
traffic on Plantation Road as well as traffic impacts on Friendship Lane. She noted that
she does not believe there will need to be any physical modifications to the light, but
there may need to be some timing tweaks to assist traffic flow. Mr. Woltz noted that they
do not foresee a highway modification. The VDOT representative noted that they could
potentially need a right turn lane, but they do not anticipate any major changes being
required. Mr. James questioned, having not completed the review at this point, does
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VDOT have any concerns regarding the commercial entrance spacing or sight distance
requirements. Ms. Mothena replied that they do not have any concerns with the sight
distance, but the discussions regarding spacing they cannot deny access. She noted
that the proposed location is probably the best place to allow them access and not
cause traffic issues.
Sean Graham with Insite Real Estate presented regarding the project. He spoke to the
landscaping buffer and noted that they will be providing a six-foot wide screening fence,
a row of deciduous trees, a row of deciduous, and a row of evergreen shrubs. They are
planning on underground Stormwater Retention. He noted that they have to meet pre-
development run-off rates, and does not believe that they will increase any problems
with flooding. He noted that they cannot help anything downstream, but are happy to do
what they can on their property. He noted that due to the use of a coffee shop most of
the trash will be coffee grounds and paper products that should not produce offensive
smells. He does not believe that will affect neighboring property values. Mr. Bower
noted Ms. Mothena stated that VDOT may recommend that they taper or install a right
turn lane and questioned how that would affect the potential sidewalk. Mr. Graham
noted that they would route the sidewalk along the taper.
Carol Slate, 7538 Friendship Lane, noted that all of their stuff sounds pretty, but that it is
entirely different when you are living next to it. She noted that they should not be
allowed to change the size of the buffer. She states that if that buffer changes the
dumpster would only be 37 feet from the corner of her house. Ms. Slate commented that
what they are saying sounds nice, but they should not be allowed the modification to the
buffer. She states that there is absolutely no reason that they cannot put it up on the
Plantation Road side of the property that she could see. She knows that Mr. Graham
states that there will be a six-foot fence that would be adjacent to her property but
dumpsters do smell. She does not care what you put in them. She asked the Planning
Commission how would they like to be sitting on their front porch smelling garbage
every morning while drinking their coffee. She would still want to know where in the
world the retention pond is going to be. She noted that in the 2015 traffic counts they did
there were 2051 cars on Friendship Lane. She also presented a speed survey stating
that the majority of cars go 42 miles per hour(mph) in a 25 mph zone. She also
presented pictures of flooding from July 16th from behind 7531 and 7535 Friendship
Lane. She noted those photos are from after just half an inch of rain. She noted that
they have no objections to rezoning but they have to live out there, especially right next
to a dumpster. She stated that she does not think they would like to live next to a
dumpster when there are other options. She stated that the reason they are asking for a
modification to the buffer zone is that there is not enough land to do what they want to
do and have the 30-foot buffer.
Mr. McMurray thanked Ms. Slate for her comments. He stated that the buffer will be
addressed during the site plan review stage of the property. He noted that they had
heard a couple items such as underground retainage for water, but they will reviewed
during the site plan review stage of the process. Mr. Bower noted to the speaker, there
will be a retention pond it will just be underground. It is his understanding that anytime
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you have construction like this you are required to have the same amount or less run off
then when you started the project. Mr. James commented on the speed study noting the
numbers were taken over 7 days where the average number of 362 vehicles per day.
He noted that 85% of people who went 28 mph or under. Mr. Bower asked Mr. James to
clarify the 42 mph. Mr. James noted that the 42mph was the maximum recorded speed
during that 7 day period.
With no further comments, Mr. McMurray closed the public hearing.
Mr. Bower questioned if the dumpster is more of a staff design issue rather than a
concern for the Planning Commission. Mr. Thompson noted that the buffer is something
staff would deal with, but they are welcome to ask the applicant why they put the
dumpster where they did. Mr. Graham noted that the location of the dumpster is the only
place where the trash truck would be able to get to the trash and not have to go through
the drive-thru lane. Mr. James questioned Mr. Thompson why the plan is not as
comprehensive as some in the past have been. He asked Mr. Thompson to go over the
process of staff review for the citizens in attendance. Mr. Thompson reviewed the site
plan review process. He explained that applicants are allowed to ask for modifications,
but they will normally have to make other adjustments to allow for modifications. He
noted that the goal is to meet the intent of the zoning ordinance. Mr. Thompson asked
the applicant if they are okay with the agreement of the proffered condition and Mr.
Graham answered they were. Ms. Slate asked if the applicant wanted to put the
dumpster in the proposed location so that it can back out onto Friendship Lane to exit.
Mr. Graham noted that the trash truck will not be backing into traffic.
Mr. Bower made a motion to approve the application, which passed 4-0.
Comments of Planning Commissioners and Planning Staff
Mr. Thompson noted that Alyssa Dunbar returned from maternity leave. He noted that
the department has two vacant Planner II positions. Mr. Thompson noted yesterday was
the deadline for SmartScale applications. He reminded the Planning Commissioners
that its next meeting will be held September 6th.
Final Orders
With no further business or comments, Mr. McMurray adjourned the meeting at 8:07
p.m.
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Respectfully Submitted:
iCe a Thomas
Recording Secretary, Roanoke County Planning Commission
Philip Th pso Cj
Secreta T*
Roanoke County Planning Commission
KellMurray
Chairman, Roano County Planning Commission
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