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PUBLIC HEARING MINUTES
November 3, 2008
Commissioners Present:
Mr. Steve Azar (Evening Session only)
Ms. Martha Hooker (Evening Session only)
Mr. Gary Jarrell
Mr. Rodney McNeil
Mr. David Radford
Staff Present:
Mr. Philip Thompson, Secretary
Mr. Joe Obenshain, Senior Assistant County Attorney
Mr. David Holladay
Mr. John Murphy
Mr. Tarek Moneir
Mr. Tim Beard
Mr. Chris Patriarca
Ms. Lindsay Blankenship
Ms. Megan Cronise (Work Session only)
Ms. Amanda Micklow
Ms. Tara Lambert
Ms, Becky Meador, Recording Secretary
WORK SESSION:
Mr. McNeil called the work session to order at 4:06 p.m.
Approval of Agenda
Mr. Jarrell made a motion to approve the agenda, which passed 3 -0.
Approval of Minutes
Mr. Radford moved to approve the minutes of October 7, 2008, and October 21, 2008, which
passed 3 -0.
Approval of Consent Agenda
Mr. Radford made a motion to approve the Consent Agenda, which passed 3 -0.
Mr. Beard presented the petition of Edward Rose Properties, Inc. to rezone approximately 16.3
acres from R -2, Medium Density Residential District, to R -3C, Medium Density Multi - Family
Residential District with Conditions (approximately 12.4 acres), and C -2C, General Commercial
District with Conditions (approximately 3.9 acres) and to rezone approximately 11.2 acres from
C -2, General Commercial District, to R -3C, Medium Density Multi - Family Residential District
with Conditions, for the purpose of constructing a mixed -use development consisting of an
apartment complex (approximately 23.6 acres) and commercial uses (approximately 7.8 acres)
located at the 6200 and 6300 Blocks of Cove Road and Green Ridge Road, Catawba
Magisterial District. He displayed a concept plan and showed a PowerPoint of site photographs.
The proposed development consists of two hundred fifty -two (252) apartment units, a one
hundred fifty (150) room hotel, a one hundred fifty (150) to two hundred (200) bed assisted living
facility, and a child care facility. A Traffic Impact Analysis (TIA) was done by the firm of Hayes,
Seay, Mattern & Mattern, which is being reviewed by the Virginia Department of Transportation
(VDOT). There will be two (2) access points on Cove Road, one on either side of Green Ridge
Road. There are currently three (3) homes on the site, one (1) owner occupied, one (1) rental,
and one (1) vacant. The anticipated completion date is 2013. The concept plan shows open
space down the center of the development, which should accommodate the existing power
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lines. Mr. Thompson noted that the TIA is too large for the public hearing package, so the most
crucial portions will be provided.
There will be a community meeting at 7:00 p.m. on Wednesday, November 19, 2008, at the
Roanoke County School Board Central Office. A representative from the developer will attend,
as well as the attorney for the developer.
Route 229 Area Plan
Mr. Thompson informed the commission that the Route 221 Area Plan will be discussed at the
next work session. The plan is scheduled to be heard at the December public hearing.
Commissioner and Staff Comments
Ms. Blankenship advised the commission that some of Mr. Foster's neighbors would be at the
public hearing to speak on his petition for a private stable. Mr. McNeil asked if there were
guidelines or an ordinance regarding animal waste. Roanoke County's ordinance does not
address this issue. It was noted that Mr. Azar was absent from the work session because he
went to view the site before the public hearing.
Mr. Jarrell questioned the 1993 date on the American Electric Power {AEP} site plan. Mr. Beard
informed the commission that the conditions from 1993 are still on the property. AEP is
requesting a rezoning, but no change to the conditions. They discussed an office building from
the original plan; however, they have decided not to pursue. Mr. Jarrell asked if the neighbors
use the road at AEP. They do; however, it is owned by AEP. They have stated that they will
repair any damage done by construction to return Louise Wells Drive to its original or better
condition.
Ms. Blankenship advised the commission that there were no parking issues with the Faith
Fellowship Church petition. The architect had submitted a plan with parking fully contained on
the property.
Mr. Holladay stated a letter of support had been received from a citizen on the Cherney
Development petition. Mr. Radford also received a telephone call in favor of the development.
Mr. Holladay updated the commission on the JJDR petition. The rezoning request was based on
a Personal Improvement Services use, as determined by the Zoning Administrator. The
Petitioner is questioning if it should fall under Commercial Indoor Sports and Recreation. The
staff report is based solely on a Personal Improvement Services use. Commercial Indoor Sports
is defined as skating rinks, bowling alleys, swimming pools, and etc. Mr. Murphy stated that
Personal Improvement Services does cover the proposed use of a golf simulator used for
physical therapy and instruction. A new application would have to be filed to change the
requested use.
Mr. Thompson noted that the proposed zoning ordinance amendment for parking of recreational
vehicles on corner lots would not normally have a first reading by the Board of Supervisors
before the Planning Commission public hearing; however, this had to be "fast- tracked" due to
the Board of Supervisors having only one meeting in November.
The Hollins Area Plan will go before the Board of Supervisors on November 11, 2008.
There was no site viewing, as Supervisor Flora was joining the commission for dinner.
With no further comments, Mr. McNeil adjourned the work session at 4:37 p.m.
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EVENING SESSION:
Mr. McNeil called the Public Hearing to order at 7:00 p.m. He gave the invocation and led the
pledge of allegiance.
The petition of Theodore J. Foster to obtain a Special Use Permit in an R -1, Low Density
Residential District, for the purpose of constructing a private stable on 5.801 acres located
at 4535 Red Barn Lane, Vinton Magisterial District (continued from the April 1, 2008,
Public Hearing) was presented by Ms. Blankenship.
Mr. Azar inquired about the location of the fecal pile. It would be located at the northwest
side of the property between the run -in shelter and the existing garage. It is between the
Foster home and that of the adjoining neighbor. Ms. Blankenship noted there is a stand of
existing evergreens that would serve as a buffer from the adjacent property.
Dr. Theodore J. Foster, 4535 Red Barn Lane, Roanoke, spoke on his petition. His intention
is to have a low density of animals for family enjoyment only. He stated the compost pile is
closest to his residence and would be within approximately two hundred (200) yards of the
next nearest residence.
Mr. Wayne Pike, 4509 Red Barn Lane, Roanoke, spoke in opposition of the petition. He
presented the commission with photographs of the location of his home in comparison to the
Foster's. He stated that the compost pile would be closer to his home than the Petitioner's.
There are approximately eleven (11) homes behind the Foster's. He felt his landscaping
along his property line would be affected and that an electric fence would be a safety
hazard. He stated that an adult horse produces approximately fifteen (15) to twenty (20)
pounds of feces per day. He felt the use would not be conducive to the neighborhood and
may decrease the quality of life and property values. He asked the commission not to
subject the neighborhood to this.
Mr. James Anderson, 4604 Phyllis Road, Roanoke, also spoke in opposition. He stated that
his home is downwind from the Foster's. He noted that there is a horse facility approximately
three - fourths of a mile from them that he can smell from his home. He has no personal
complaint against the Foster's; however, he was very concerned for his wife, who is a sever
asthmatic. He said smells cause her to be sick and airborne particulates may cause danger
to her. He also stated that a realtor advised him that the neighboring horses may devalue
his property by at least ten (10) percent. He asked the commission to deny the request.
Mr. Lewis Hartwell, 4567 Red Barn Lane, Roanoke, presented a petition signed by seven (7)
neighbors who oppose the petition. He stated that Dr. Foster is a good neighbor, but the
horses did not fit in their neighborhood.
Mr. John Recktenwald, 4601 Phyllis Road, Roanoke, voiced his concern about odor and
insects the horses may attract. He stated he consulted a friend, who is a farmer, about
having horses. The friend felt that three (3) animals on three (3) acres would "clean" the
land, which would eventually become muddy with no grass. Mr. Recktenwald stated that Mr.
Anderson's home is approximately one hundred (100) feet from the proposed fence line. Mr.
Anderson corrected that to fifty (50) feet.
With no other citizens to speak, Mr. McNeil closed the Public Hearing.
Mr. Azar told Dr. Foster that the neighbors have concerns about an electric fence and that
he has concern about the waste in the vicinity of wells and septic systems. Dr. Foster
showed the commission a site plan of his three (3) parcels, indicating the location of the run -
in shelter and compost pile. He explained that the compost "pile" is actually a small building.
He does not intend to use barbed wire. If there is major objection, he is willing not to use an
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electric fence. Feces in the field would be drug or harrowed for natural compost. He does
not intend to breed any animals. He is requesting a maximum of three (3). He would start
with one horse, and then add another for companionship, possibly a miniature horse or
pony. Being a veterinarian, he felt he understood the amount of feces produced by the
animals. He also understood the neighbors' concerns. He stated the proposed fence line is
set back, as not to disturb the neighbors' foliage.
Ms. Hooker asked about the size of the proposed shelter. Though he did not have a plan
drawn, Dr. Foster stated it would be low -rise (lower than his ranch -style home),
approximately twelve (12) to fourteen (14) feet. The shelter is a "wind break ", not a stable.
Mr. Radford asked Dr. Foster how he knew that the horses would not overgraze the field
and turn it to dirt. Dr. Foster said fencing would be used for rotational grazing during warm
months. Supplemental feed would be used during the winter. The area of the shelter and
compost pile has high foliage. He noted that large areas can be overgrazed as well as small
ones. It depends on the management of the field. The number of animals per acre was
discussed. Dr. Foster stated he would be willing to have less than three (3). Mr. Radford
asked if he would be willing to proffer one (1) horse. Dr. Foster was reluctant to do so
because frequently they have trouble being alone; however, he stated he would obtain a
miniature if the one should require a companion.
Mr. Azar stated that the Petitioner has sufficient land and that the Special Use Permit allows
this use to come before the board. He thought there was still not enough information, such
as a concept plan for the shelter, a plan to shelter the animals during inclement weather,
and electric fencing. He felt this was outside of residential use. Mr. Jarrell asked that it be
noted that of the seven people who signed the petition of Opposition, four of those spoke at
the public hearing. He also stated that he could not believe a licensed realtor would make a
written statement that neighboring horses would devalue a property.
Mr. Azar made a motion to forward the petition to the Board of Supervisors with an
unfavorable recommendation. Mr. Thompson called the roll and the motion carried, 4 -1.
AYES: Radford, Azar, Hooker, McNeil
NAYES: Jarrell
2. The petition of American Electric Power (AEP) to rezone 13.103 acres from C -1 C, Office
District with Conditions, to 1 -2C, High Intensity Industrial District with Conditions, for the
purpose of constructing a construction yard located at the 1800 block of Loch Haven Drive,
Catawba Magisterial District, was presented by Mr. Beard.
Mr. Azar announced that, for full disclosure and to avoid any appearance of conflict of
interest, he is employed by AEP and would not vote or comment on this petition.
Mr. Beard stated there are two hundred twenty -eight (228) employees at this AEP location.
No additional personnel would be added and there is no anticipated increase in vehicle
traffic. The proposed extension of the construction yard would be strictly for the storage of
heavy materials. He felt it is reasonable to bring their entire site under one zoning category.
AEP will proffer substantial conformance to the concept plan dated August 14, 2008,
prepared by Spectrum Design.
Ms. Hooker questioned the dates of the two (2) conditions noted in the staff report. Mr.
Beard stated these are existing conditions on the property and are more for legality,
consistency, and to protect neighbors. AEP is not proposing a building. They would not have
a by -right ability to expand with the substantial conformance condition. Ms. Hooker asked
about the neighbors' protection once the screening and buffering is in place. Mr. Beard
stated there would be some impact: however, they would do their best to minimize.
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Mr. Mike Rakes, 41 Wyndale Crossing, Daleville, of Spectrum Design spoke on behalf of
AEP. The intent of AEP is to take all of the neighbors into consideration first. All healthy
growth on the site will be preserved. With the difference in elevation, the site should be
mostly out of view from both directions. The concept plan will be proffered. Any future
development would be long range and would go through the appropriate processes. Ms.
Hooker questioned the lighting. Mr. Rakes stated the proposed lighting is the minimum
needed for security. Some of the materials to be stored are very expensive. AEP needs
additional storage for this equipment to improve service to the community. There would be
larger lights for rare, short -term, emergency use during power outages.
Mr. Jeff Ell, 1847 Louise Wells Drive, Roanoke, spoke on the petition. He stated he objected
to rezoning property for the simple convenience of his corporate neighbor, when other viable
and simple options are available. There are numerous properties for sale in the county that
are already zoned high intensity industrial, which AEP could purchase. He felt they could
move the storage facility to the south on the part of their property already appropriately
zoned, which would keep it further away from the residential part of the neighborhood. It was
his opinion that the original zoning in 1987 was correct. It provided a zoning buffer between
the industrial site and the residential neighborhood. He believes property values would be
affected by a high intensity industrial neighbor. He disagreed with two (2) points in the staff
report. He stated that, in the Future Land Use Map, the definition of "core" does not equal
industrial. He also felt there would be increased noise volume. Mr. Ell stated that bringing in
gravel and heavy construction equipment would destroy the road.
With no other citizens requesting to speak, Mr. McNeil closed the Public Hearing.
Ms. Hooker asked for a response from the Petitioner on Mr. Ell's points of concern. Mr.
Rakes and Ms. Saundra Stevens of AEP replied. AEP has full intention of repairing the road
to the same, or most likely better, condition. There will be no new access road. They will
slightly expand the existing access road, which is currently in an 1 -2 zoning area. In
response to the noise level, Ms. Stevens stated that this is not a typical service building, so
trucks would not be going in and out. They will store materials for long range projects. This
equipment would be pulled when funds were available or in rare emergency situations.
Ms. Hooker made a motion to forward the petition, including the two (2) conditions in the
staff report plus the concept plan dated August 14, 2008, to the Board of Supervisors with a
favorable recommendation. Mr. Thompson called the roll and the motion passed, 4 -0 -1.
AYES: Radford, Jarrell, Hooker, McNeil
NAYES: None
ABSTAIN: Azar
3. The petition of Faith Fellowship Church to obtain a Special Use Permit in a C -2, General
Commercial District, for the purpose of Religious Assembly on 1.0 acre located at 4108
Electric Road, Cave Spring Magisterial District was presented by Ms. Blankenship. The
Petitioner is proposing interior renovations to accommodate two hundred thirty (230) seats.
They propose Sunday and Wednesday evening services. There is sufficient on -site parking
for fifty -nine (59) spaces. A core designation is not generally appropriate for a tax - exempt
use.
Mr. McNeil asked if the building was leased would it be tax - exempt based on the use. Mr.
Obenshain answered that it would. (This statement was corrected at the end of the meeting.
The owner would still incur real estate taxes.) The original fifty -four (54) parking spaces
indicated were prior to the architect's concept plan being developed. A traffic impact
analysis is not required.
Mr. Ray Craighead of Craighead and Associates, architect on the project, spoke on behalf of
the Petitioner. He stated with seven hundred sixty -three (763) gross square feet, the building
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can seat two hundred twenty -one (221) by code (7 square feet per person). One (1) parking
space is required for every four (4) seats. There is enough parking for two hundred thirty-six
(236).
With no citizens to speak on the petition, Mr. McNeil closed the Public Hearing. He moved to
forward the petition to the Board of Supervisors with a favorable recommendation. Mr.
Thompson called the roll and the motion passed, 5 -0.
AYES: Radford, Jarrell, Azar, Hooker, McNeil
NAYES: None
4. The petition of James R. Cherney to rezone approximately 4.75 acres from R -3C, Medium
Density Multi - Family Residential District with Conditions, to C -1 C, Office District with
Conditions, for the purpose of constructing an office building located between the 2300
block and 2400 block of Electric Road and 2315 Bridle Lane, Windsor Hills Magisterial
District was presented by Mr. Holladay. There are eight (8) proffered conditions proposed by
the Petitioner.
There was discussion of the elevation difference between the building and Route 419.
Cherney Development is proposing a seventy -five (75) foot building. It could be eighty (80)
feet by calculation. The building would set at least twenty -five feet below Route 419.
Mr. Radford asked about the abandonment of the paper street off of Stoneybrook Drive. If all
residents agreed, the county could work with VDOT to abandon the street. Each adjoining
property owner would receive an equal portion of the land.
Ms. Maryellen Goodlatte, attorney for Mr. Jim Cherney, spoke on the Petitioner's behalf. She
displayed a parcel map and described other office buildings across Route 419. There are
residential properties behind and along one side of the site. She discussed Mr. Cherney's
2006 petition for a multi - family development on the site, which was withdrawn due to
concerns by the neighbors. At that time the neighbors requested office use instead. Mr.
Cherney conducted a community meeting before submitting his current application. He is
proposing a Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) influenced building
design. The third floor will have a green roof with a courtyard. The two (2) upper floors are
smaller. The taller side of the building would face Route 419 and the shorter side would face
the residential neighbors. A system is proposed that recirculates stormwater for wastewater
and irrigation. Ms. Goodlatte displayed a comparison of heights of other buildings along the
Route 419 corridor. At the highest point the proposed building would be fifty -seven (57) feet
above Route 419. She stated that the proffered conditions in the staff report were composed
with the assistance of the neighbors.
Ms. Joy Taylor, 5206 Stoneybrook Drive, Roanoke, spoke in favor of the petition. Her
property abuts the Cherney land. She stated that three (3) of the four (4) adjoining neighbors
are handicapped. She requested that Mr. Cherney install a fence to prevent access to their
properties. Mr. Cherney was agreeable. He will meet with them to choose what type of fence
they would prefer. It will be at least six (6) feet tall. The fence can be added without
changing the proffered substantial conformity of the concept plan.
Mr. Ken Landgraf, 2129 Bridle Lane, Roanoke, also spoke in favor of the petition. He was
impressed with and appreciated Mr. Cherney working with the neighbors. He believes the
building design will be an asset. The commission also commended the collaboration of the
neighbors and developer.
With no other citizens to speak, Mr. McNeil closed the Public Hearing.
Mr. Radford stated that he would like the paper street vacated. Mr. Obenshain preferred not
to make this a condition on the developer because the adjoining property owners would
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make the determination. The street is a dead end at the Cherney property.
Mr. Jim Cherney spoke on his petition. He stated he has no opposition to handling the
vacation of the street however the Board of Supervisors would prefer. He described a
walking trail he would like to construct that would lead to the church. Ms. Goodlatte said the
street vacation could not be accomplished at this meeting and should be put before the
Board of Supervisors. Mr. Obenshain agreed.
Mr. Radford also noted that he had received two (2) telephone calls in favor of the petition.
He made a motion to forward the petition, including the eight (8) proffers from the staff report
plus the fencing, with a favorable recommendation to the Board of Supervisors. Mr.
Thompson called the roll and the motion passed, 5 -0.
AYES: Radford, Jarrell, Azar, Hooker, McNeil
NAYES: None
5. The petition of JJDR Company, LLC to rezone 1.13 acres from a C -1C, Office District with
Conditions, to a C -2, General Commercial District for the purpose of conducting personal
improvement services located at 1919 Electric Road, Windsor Hills Magisterial District was
presented by Mr. Holladay. He informed the commission that there had been discussion with
the Petitioner regarding Personal Improvement Services versus Commercial Indoor Sports
and Recreation (a C -2 use). The Zoning Administrator has determined that Personal
Improvement Services does cover what the Petitioner is proposing.
Mr. McNeil inquired about the amount of square feet of the building used for each purpose.
Approximately one thousand eight hundred (1,800) square feet will be used for Personal
Improvement Services and five thousand (5,000) square feet for the physical therapy
practice. There is adequate parking. Ms. Hooker inquired about additional signage.
Dr. Richard J. Sidor, 5916 Black Horse Lane, Roanoke, spoke on his petition. He stated the
existing sign posts are all he proposes to use. A sign will be added to the bottom. Dr. Sidor
was agreeable to the C -1C zoning with a Personal Improvement Services use.
Mr. Radford moved to send the petition to the Board of Supervisors with a favorable
recommendation, requesting "Commercial Indoor Sports and Recreation" be struck from the
proffered condition in the staff report. Mr. Thompson called the roll and the motion passed,
5 -0.
AYES: Radford, Jarrell, Azar, Hooker, McNeil
NAYES: None
6. Mr. Murphy presented proposed amendments to the Roanoke County Zoning Ordinance.
The proposed amendment to Section 30 -91 -2 (General Regulations for Parking) would
provide additional areas for the parking of recreational vehicles on corner lots. The proposed
amendment to Section 30-22 -1 (Civil Penalties) would allow civil penalties to be assessed
for violations associated with the parking of recreational vehicles, the parking of commercial
vehicles, and the use of recreational vehicles for living or business purposes.
He discussed the commission's work session on this topic and its opinion that there should
not be any amendments. The Board of Supervisors thinks there is inconsistency and a
disadvantage to corner lot owners because they have two (2) lot lines to deal with. In the
past three (3) years, there have been approximately ten (10) to twelve (12) corner lot
violations per year. Mr. McNeil felt changing the ordinance would "create a monster".
Additionally, there is no restriction on the number of recreational vehicles at one residence.
The amendment clarifies the definition of a recreational vehicle.
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Mr. Murphy noted that civil penalties were requested to minimize the number of needed
court proceedings. The fine would be more significant than a parking ticket. If passed, the
penalties could also apply to the old ordinance.
Mr. Jarrell asked the reasoning behind parking behind the house line. Mr. Murphy explained
it is for safety purposes and visibility of house numbers. There was considerable discussion
of safety on corners if the two (2) building lines were not used. Ms. Hooker was also
concerned that it would cause a visual nuisance. She felt correcting one issue was only
creating another. She requested the commission vote separately on the two amendments.
Mr. Obenshain agreed that the two amendments should be voted on separately.
Mr. Azar asked for clarification of the definition of a commercial vehicle. Mr. Murphy
explained that it is any vehicle with dual rear wheels, excluding a dually pick -up truck.
Parking of commercial vehicles is not permitted in any residential zoning.
Mr. Radford did not see a problem making one (1) building line. He agreed with the Board of
Supervisors that there is a disadvantage. Mr. Jarrell asked if the building line is the setback
or actual building. The building line is the setback. There was considerable discussion of
possible requests to build garages or other buildings on corner lots using only one building
line.
Mr. McNeil moved to deny the proposed amendment to Section 30 -91 -2, General
Regulations for Parking. Mr. Thompson called the roll and the motion passed, 4 -1.
AYES: Jarrell, Azar, Hooker, McNeil
NAYES: Radford
Mr. McNeil then made motion to approve the proposed amendment to Section 30 -22 -1, Civil
Penalties. Mr. Thompson called the roll and the motion passed, 5 -0.
AYES: Radford, Jarrell, Azar, Hooker, McNeil
NAYES: None
Final Orders
The petition of Starkey Medical, PC to modify existing proffered conditions in a C-1 C, Office
District with Conditions, on 1.241 acres located at 5681 Starkey Road, Cave Spring Magisterial
District was approved with conditions by the Board of Supervisors at its public hearing on
October 28, 2008.
The petition of Mel Wheeler, Inc. to obtain a Special Use Permit in an AG -3, Agricultural /Rural
Preserve District, for the construction of a 170 -foot broadcast tower on 3.06 acres located at
8131 Honeysuckle Road, Windsor Hills Magisterial District was approved with conditions by the
Board of Supervisors at its public hearing on October 28, 2008.
The petition of Bonsack Baptist Church to obtain a Special Use Permit in an R -1, Low Density
Residential District, for the purpose of Religious Assembly on approximately 3.30 acres located
at the 4800 and 4900 blocks of Cloverdale Road, Hollins Magisterial District was approved with
conditions by the Board of Supervisors at its public hearing on October 28, 2008.
Commissioners' Comments
Ms. Hooker voiced concern that the commission should carefully consider petitions for Religious
Assembly in commercial districts. She voted in favor of the Faith Fellowship petition because
she did not want to deny the owner the rent. The building has been vacant for some time.
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Staff Comments
Mr. Obenshain clarified that in a leasing situation, where the renter is tax - exempt and the owner
is not, the owner is responsible for paying real estate taxes. A tax - exempt use does not convey
to ownership.
With no further business or comments, Mr. McNeil adjourned the meeting at 9:44 p.m.
Respectfully Submitted:
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Becky Meador
Recording Secretary, Roanoke County Planning Commission
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Philip ompson
Secretary, Roanoke County Planning Commission
Approved.
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Rodney McNeil
Chairman, Roanoke County Planning Commission
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