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MINUTES - APRIL 1, 2003
Present: Mr. Al Thomason
Ms. Martha Hooker
Mr. Don Witt, Chairman
Mr. Steve Azar
Mr. Todd Ross
Ms. Janet Scheid, Secretary
Mr. David Holladay
Mr. John Murphy
Mr. Chris Lowe
Ms. Tammi Wood, Recording Secretary
(Ms. Hooker arrived after approval of the Consent Agenda)
WORK SESSION:
Session opened at 4:00pm by Mr. Witt.
Approval of Agenda
Mr. Ross moved to approve the agenda as amended. Motion passed 4 -0.
Approval of Minutes
Ms. Thomason moved to approve the March 4, 2003 PCPH minutes. Motion
passed 4 -0.
Mr. Thomason moved to approve the March 18, 2003 Worksession minutes.
Motion passed 4 -0.
Approval of Consent Agenda
Mr. Ross moved to approve the consent agenda. Motion passed 4 -0.
Discussion of the Sign Ordinance
Mr. Holladay reported a discrepancy between the text and the definition
regarding Sec. 30 -93 -11 (C), Non - Conforming Signs. He explained that recently
a billboard was blown down at which time a sign company submitted a cost
proposal to Brenda Manning of VDOT stating the sign replacement would be
38% of value. He stated since Off Premises Signs are assessed as Personal
Property by the Commission of the Revenue, they generally depreciate in value.
He explained the difference between replacement cost and replacement value
and how it could affect the replacement of Non- Conforming Signs. He stated it
might be necessary to change the wording of the ordinance from 'replacement
value' to 'replacement cost.' He stated it might also be necessary to devise a
new definition specific to Off Premise Signs. He stated this might affect the
Personal Property values, which are submitted to the Commissioner of the
Revenue's office. Ms. Scheid suggested the billboard industry should look at the
value of the sign. Mr. Witt noted some On Premise signs are not assessed as
Personal Property but as Real Estate. Mr. Ross stated it would be reasonable to
use Replacement Cost. Mr. Holladay stated the regulation applies to all signs.
Mr. Witt stated it might be necessary to set out differences in replacement
language of On Premise and Off Premise signs. Mr. Azar requested clarification
of current replacement criteria. Mr. Holladay and Ms. Scheid explained the
current procedure. Mr. Holladay stated VDOT's sign replacement regulation is
based on replacement cost. Mr. Witt asked if the ordinance should be revised
now or if more time is needed to clarify the language used. Mr. Holladay noted
using assessment values might cause assessments to increase. Mr. Ross then
noted this would increase tax revenues. Mr. Holladay stated in Sec. 30-93 -
11(C)(1) and (C)(2) the language should be changed from 'value' to 'cost'.
Regarding Sec. 30- 93.14 (A)(4), Mr. Witt stated he is not comfortable with
electronic messages. Mr. Holladay stated these signs include LCD and
television screens. Mr. Ross noted since they have only discussed Tri- vision
signs, he is not prepared to make a decision on electronic messages. Mr.
Thomason suggested there should be more discussion and research before
presenting the revisions to the public. Mr. Witt stated since the petition had been
advertised, it will need to be introduced at the PCPH. He stated if necessary a
motion could be made to continue the petition. Mr. Thomason expressed
concern regarding misleading the public. Mr. Holladay stated that one of the sign
companies has requested the temporary sign dimensions allowed be increased
from 30 feet to 32 feet in Sec. 30 -93 -5 (A)(2), Temporary Signs. Mr. Holladay
stated the public might offer some good feedback at the PCPH regarding the
Sign Ordinance Revisions.
Site Viewing
The meeting was adjourned for site viewing at 4:30 p.m.
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PUBLIC HEARING:
Mr. Witt called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. Mr. Thomason gave the
invocation and led the pledge of allegiance.
There was the petition of Cotton Hill Land Company, LC to Rezone 22.743
acres from AR Agricultural Residential District to R -1 Low Density
Residential District for a development of single family housing located at
Virginia Secondary Route 688 (Cotton Hill Road) and Raintree Road,
Cave Spring Magisterial District. Ms. Janet Scheid, Roanoke County
Planning, presented the staff report.
Mr. Edward Natt briefly spoke stating he represents Cotton Hill Land Co.
He then deferred the presentation of the petition to Mr. Len Boone. Mr.
Boone apologized for not being better prepared at the previous PCPH. He
stated they mistakenly assumed there would be no opposition to the new
development. He apologized to the community for not soliciting their input
and not informing them about the development plans. Mr. Boone
reviewed previous proffers and site plans. He discussed the input
received at the Community Meeting. He stated it would be best to develop
the property as R -1 as opposed to AR based on engineering findings,
economics, implementing citizen requests, and the development being
self - contained if developed as R -1. He stated the current site plan is for
44 lots none of which are fronting Cotton Hill Road. He stated if
developed as proposed, there would be only one ingress and one egress
of the property. He stated if developed a public waterline and a hydrant
will be added to the area. He stated they have expanded the proffers to
include a fence around a portion of the Roanoke Wildlife Refuge. He
stated they would like to meet with VDOT prior to the BOS meeting to
discuss if the required right of way area could be lessened. He stated if
they refuse to lessen it, he will yield the required area to them. He stated
they will preserve as many trees as reasonably possible. He reviewed the
current site plan including grading of the area. He stated they plan to
leave the perimeter of the property virtually undisturbed except for the
possibility of a detention pond. Mr. Thomason asked if the fence around
the Roanoke Wildlife Refuge would be chain -link or wooden. Mr. Boone
stated they were unsure if wooden would suffice for the purpose of the
fence, although a wooden fence would be more aesthetically appropriate
for the area, Mr. Steve Strauss stated he spoke with the Executive
Director of the Roanoke Wildlife Refuge who stated that a chain -link fence
was approved. He stated a chain link fence is not appropriate for the
neighborhood. Mr. Witt noted Proffer #8 suggested by Planning Staff
regarding installation of a water line and fire hydrant. Mr. Boone stated
suggested revision to Proffer #8 is acceptable.
Several citizens spoke regarding the new development. Dorothy Runion,
Executive Director of Roanoke Wildlife Refuge, Ralph Davis, Anne
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Krochalis, Katharine Shank, Bill Adams, Richard Dirkens, Joan Hopkins,
and Claudine Ujvary all spoke regarding the development. Ms. Runion
stated she had the impression there would be another Community
Meeting prior to the PCPH. She stated the fence, which is to be provided,
is a concern since the USDA's regulation requires a 6 -foot fence around
the entire property. She suggested using vinyl fencing, which would not
decay. She stated her organization is currently working on funding to
fence the remainder of the property. She requested the petitioner execute
a written contact regarding maintenance responsibility of the fence. Mr.
Ralph Davis stated he has had difficulty getting up Cotton Hill Road during
inclement weather. He suggested that economic development should not
be the only consideration. He stated that incentives should be presented
to encourage developers to keep AR zoning for developments and that
the zoning changes in the Poage Valley area are making the area more
suburb than rural in nature. He expressed concern regarding the need for
a traffic light at the Cotton Hill Road/Route 221 intersection. He
suggested the waterline be installed within the electrical easement. He
also suggested the hydrant be placed near the Blue Ridge Parkway to
prevent damage to the tree line. He noted secondary road improvements
are unlikely with the current budget shortfalls. Ms. Krochalis stated she
was disappointed a second Community Meeting had not been held. She
expressed concern returning the petition to the Planning Commission is
setting a precedent. She stated that she is a consultant to the Roanoke
Wildlife Center and she requested that the fence around that property be
included in the final decision. She expressed concern regarding the
schools and Cotton Hill Road. She stated that long -term costs of this
development will outweigh the benefits to the County. Ms. Katharine
Shank stated the fence should meet the agency's requirements. She
stated she hoped proffers would be enforced. Mr. Witt informed her the
proffers are legally binding if passed by the BOS. Mr. Adams noted
Cotton Hill Road and Route 221 are currently overburdened with traffic.
Mr. Adams inquired as to the density of the Groves and the Gardens. Mr.
Strauss stated the density is approximately 2.5 houses /acre. Mr. Adams
recommended keeping the area population under control. Mr. Dirkens
from the Church of the Latter Day Saints stated his church wants to be a
good neighbor in the community. He expressed concern about the high
volume of traffic negatively impacting the safety of church members with
young children. He also expressed concern regarding the possibility that
the outdoor lighting and outdoor gatherings at the church may disturb the
residents of the new development. Mr. Thomason inquired about the
specific location of the church. He noted neighboring residents park in
the church parking lot when they are unable to get up Cotton Hill Road
due to inclement weather. Ms. Hopkins expressed disbelief VDOT does
not see a need for a traffic light at the intersection of Cotton Hill
Road/Route 221. Mr. Witt agreed there is a high volume of traffic entering
Route 221 at this location. Ms. Ujvary expressed concern about the
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increase in traffic. She also asked if dirt will be allowed to wash onto her
property during construction of the development. Mr. Witt informed her of
the laws, which require developers to control runoff from construction
areas. Mr. Boone stated they will alter the fence proffer to include vinyl
fencing. Mr. Boone apologized for not having a second Community
Meeting prior to the PCPH. He stated he thought the BOS had requested
a second meeting prior to the petitioner's second appearance in front of
the BOS. Mr. Thomason commended the petitioner on their plan but
expressed concerned regarding the condition of the Cotton Hill Road, Mr.
Boone staffed they have tried to do everything VDOT has requested. Mr.
Boone stated they may also grade the first two lots to improve sight
distance. Mr. Azar asked who will be responsible for maintaining the vinyl
fence and the length of time they would be responsible for its
maintenance. He also asked if the petitioner would replace trees removed
in order to install the waterline. Mr. Boone stated a homeowners
association would be organized to cover fence maintenance costs.
Regarding the replanting of trees, he stated if anything of substance is
removed, they will replace it with 4' -5' trees. Mr. Thomason asked if the
petitioner could delay the development six more months in order to try to
acquire more funding for road improvements. Mr. Boone explained the
negative impact it would have on his company and its employees if they
delay development. Ms. Hooker commended Mr. Boone and Mr. Strauss
for working with the community. Mr. Witt expressed his approval of
mitigating concerns regarding the fence issue. He stated if the property
remained AR, Ms. Runion would be totally responsible for the fencing of
her property. He stated since AR would have allowed 39 lots and the
current site plan with zoning R -1 has 44 lots, the increase in vehicles from
5 additional lots appears to be worth the installation of the waterline to
Sylvan Brook.
Mr. Witt then made the motion to recommend approval of the rezoning
request with the following proffers:
Development of the property will be limited to forty -four (44) lots in
substantial conformity with the plan entitled "Hampshire Prepared
for Cotton Hill Land Co., LC" by Lumsden Associates, P.C. under
date of January 8, 2003, entitled "Layout With New Proffers for
Revised Rezoning Request ", provided, however, that should VDOT
require the entrance to be relocated, the internal street pattern may
be adjusted to provide for forty -four (44) lots.
2. Other than as necessary for the installation of the road system
within the property, the installation of utilities, storm drainage and
detention basins required by the appropriate governmental officials
for development of the property, and the clearing and grading for
the proper use of the building sites on the lots, no trees will be
removed.
3. Developer will cause to be recorded among the land records of
Roanoke County covenants which prohibit future owners of any lots
from removing any tree that measures 3 inches or greater in
diameter at a height of 4 feet above the ground as long as said tree
is healthy. Said covenants shall further include provisions
establishing an Architectural Review Committee which shall be
charged with the responsibility of reviewing requests of future
owners to change the existing landscaping and grounds on any lot
once the lot has been developed and has a home constructed on
that lot. Said Architectural Review Committee shall prohibit the
removal of any trees 3 inches or greater in diameter at a height of 4
feet above the ground unless the removal of such tree is in the
interest of safety as determined by the Architectural Review
Committee.
4. No driveways for lots will be permitted on Cotton Hill Road,
Raintree Road or Sylvan Brook Road.
5. The property will be accessed by a single entrance from Cotton Hill
Road at a location to be approved by VDOT.
6. Developer agrees to dedicate in fee simple to VDOT all property
necessary for the improvements to Cotton Hill Road up to a
maximum amount as shown on the plan dated March 26, 2003, or
such lesser amount as may be agreed upon between the developer
and VDOT.
7. Designated areas along Raintree and Sylvan Brook Road, as
shown on the plan shall be left in their natural, undisturbed state.
8. A water line easement shall be provided through the property to
Sylvan Brook Road. The Developer shall install a water line within
said easement and place a fire hydrant at Sylvan Brook Road in a
location to be approved by the Roanoke County Fire Department.
Developer shall plant trees within the area where trees of any
substance are removed as a result of the installation of the water
line.
9. Developer shall install a 6 -foot vinyl fence at the rear of Lots 2
through 6 and through Lot 7 to the point where the Runyon's left
side (south) property line intersects the rear lot line of Lot 7. The
developer shall include in the obligations of the Homeowners
Association the responsibility for maintaining such fence.
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10. Developer shall grade Lots 1 and 44 as necessary for sight
distance approval as determined by VDOT.
AYES: Witt, Hooker, Thomason, Azar, Ross
NAYS: None
ABSENT: None
Mr. Boone stated they plan to have a Community Meeting in
approximately two weeks.
2. There was the petition of Jeff Montgomery to obtain a Special Use Permit
to operate a used automobile dealership on .57 acres located at 406
Dexter Road, Hollins Magisterial District. Mr. David Holladay, Roanoke
County Planning, presented the staff report.
Mr. Jeff Montgomery, President of RPM Motorsports, stated his business
sells vehicles solely via the Internet. He stated the business requires an
indoor storage facility for the vehicles prior to the sale. He stated all
vehicles will remain within the storage building until they are delivered to
the buyer. He stated his company will not change the appearance of the
community. Mr. Azar asked if any mechanical repair will be performed at
this facility. Mr. Montgomery stated they may wash the vehicles at the
facility but vehicles are already restored when they receive them. Mr.
Ross asked how long Mr. Montgomery had been doing this type of work.
Mr. Montgomery stated that he had been working with vehicles all of his
life. Mr. Ross asked how many vehicles he sold last year. Mr.
Montgomery stated he previously worked at a car lot and did not sell via
the Internet last year. He stated he sells approximately 4 -6 specialty
vehicles each month. He stated most vehicles are transported in a closed
car trailer.
There were no citizen comments.
Mr. Ross then made the motion to recommend approval of the special use
permit with the following conditions:
All vehicles and auto parts shall be kept inside the storage building.
AYES:
Witt, Hooker, Thomason, Azar, Ross
NAYS:
None
ABSENT:
None
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3. There was the petition of Maurice Lucas to obtain a Special Use Permit to
operate a private stable on 13.460 acres located at 5500 Huntridge Road,
Hollins Magisterial District. Mr. Chris Lowe, Roanoke County Planning,
presented the staff report.
Mr. Witt questioned the waste management wording. Mr. Lowe stated the
language is directly from the Roanoke County Zoning Ordinance. Mr.
Witt agreed to allow the existing language.
Mr. Ross then made the motion for favorable approval of the special use
permit with the following conditions:
No more than 7 (1 horse per 2 acres) horses shall be permanently
stabled on the property.
2. All animal grazing areas shall have sufficient ground cover to minimize
storm water runoff and erosion.
3. The area for containment of the horses shall be fenced on all sides.
4. Animal waste shall be managed properly so as to not create a
nuisance or health hazard to adjoining or nearby property owners.
AYES:
Thomason, Hooker, Witt, Azar, Ross
NAYS:
None
ABSENT:
None
4. The petition of Graham Family Limited Partnership to obtain a Special Use
Permit to construct and operate a car wash located at 7005 Williamson
Road, Hollins Magisterial District. Mr. David Holladay, Roanoke County
Planning, presented the staff report.
Referring to the Concept Plan, Mr. Ross asked how the property is
accessed. Mr. Holladay explained in the future the property may be
accessed from either side. Mr. Witt inquired about future plans regarding
the plated 'paper street.' Mr. Holladay stated the street could be vacated
if all adjoining property owners were in agreement. Mr. Natt introduced
Mr. Ian Graham and Mr. Jim Graham of the Graham Family Limited
Partnership. Mr. Natt presented a new site plan. Mr. Natt stated the
petitioner's intent is to improve Boxley Road not to close it. He stated this
development will allow pubic utilities to be brought to other lots in this
area. He stated the sole entrance to the facility will be off of Boxley Road.
Mr. Witt asked who would be responsible for building the road. Mr. Natt
stated the petitioner will be responsible for building the proposed road.
Mr. Thomason inquired whether or not the facility would be a manned
location. Mr. Natt stated the facility will be open 24 hours per day with
periodic monitoring of the property. He stated the petitioner currently has
a car wash facility in operation on Hollins Road. Mr. Ross reviewed the
conditions and site plan.
Two citizens spoke. Mr. Herman Estachio and Mr. Paul Black. Mr.
Herman Estachio stated his property is adjacent to the petitioner's
property. He asked how far the fencing would go up Boxley Road. Mr.
Natt explained the site plan. Mr. Witt pointed out lots 7 and 8 are not
being rezoned, therefore they do not require any fencing. Mr. Estachio
expressed concern regarding trash on the property. Mr. Witt stated the
property will be cleaned -up daily but not manned. Mr. Paul Black stated
he manages the Hash Estate in North Hills. He stated this development
will assist in creating better access to Boxley Road for further
development of his remaining property in North Hills.
Mr. Ross then made the motion for favorable approval of the special use
permit with the following conditions:
1. The site shall be developed in substantial conformity with the site plan
dated March 21, 2003.
2. The site shall be developed in compliance with the Williamson Road
Guidelines.
3. Access shall be granted from Boxley Road (Route 1802) only and shall
not connect to Greenway Drive.
AYES:
Thomason, Hooker, Witt, Azar, Ross
NAYS:
None
ABSENT:
None
5. The petition of the Roanoke County Planning Commission to amend the
Roanoke County Zoning Ordinance Section 30 -93, Signs. Mr. David
Holladay, Roanoke County Planning, presented the staff report.
Mr. David Holladay expressed the need to discuss tri- vision and electronic
message boards in more detail. He stated dwell time and twirl time
limitations need to be established. He stated this can be written into the
Sign Ordinance exclusively for tri- vision signage. He noted Off- Premises
Signs and Temporary Signs need to be discussed. Mr. Holladay
reviewed Sec. 30- 93- 11(C)(1), Nonconforming Signs. He stated the
ordinance has a definition of Replacement Cost but not specifically
Replacement Value, which leaves this issue in interpretation "limbo." He
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reviewed the Replacement Value definition. Mr. Holladay reported the PC
had discussed changing the language to Replacement Cost so that it
would conform to the definition. He stated that Mr. Witt previously noted
that since Off - Premises signs are assessed as Personal Property, they
depreciate each year. He stated On- Premises Signs are considered Real
Estate and do not have a Personal Property assessment value associated
with them. He stated the ordinance may need to be further defined strictly
for Off Premises signs. He also explained one of the sign companies had
suggested an increase in the square footage of Temporary Signs in order
to accommodate the stock dimensions of the signs. Mr. Holladay noted it
has been necessary for all entities to compromise on certain issues. He
stated some incentives and flexibility have been incorporated into the
revisions.
Mr. Ed Natt and several sign company representatives spoke. Mr. Al
Williamson, Sign Design, requested a revision to Temporary Signs,
Sec.30 -93 -8. He requested the allowable dimensions be extended from
30 feet to 32 feet in a commercial districts and from 15 feet to 16 feet in all
other zoning districts. He stated this is to accommodate the stock size of
some temporary signs. Mr. Bill Lodzinski, Lamar Advertising, expressed
concern regarding the signage already in place. He stated they want to
maintain the signs they currently have in place. He stated the Cap &
Replace regulation penalizes the sign companies and their employees.
Mr. Lodzinski stated Lamar has not built a new billboard since 1996. Mr.
Ed Natt spoke representing Charles Franklin Advertising regarding the tri-
vision signs. Regarding Sec. 30- 93 -4(7), he stated the ordinance should
include a consistent definition regarding message boards. Mr. Witt agreed
definitions are very important. Mr. Natt stated tri- vision signs would allow
more advertisements on each board, which would lessen the number of
signage structures. He stated the dwell time is the key issue. He
introduced Mr. Miller from Charles Franklin Advertising. Mr. Witt asked
Mr. Natt if he was aware the dwell time for the Carilion tri- vision sign on
Franklin Road is 15 seconds. Mr. Natt stated that particular sign was
negotiated with Roanoke City. He stated 6, 7 or 10 seconds is the optimal
dwell time for a sign within the community. Mr. Witt asked Mr. Miller to
identify a 'reasonable' twirl time. Mr. Miller stated he believes the average
twirl time is 3 seconds. He noted with improving technology the
mechanisms continue to move more quickly. Mr. Ross noted he would
like to clarify Off - premise signs regarding the Non - conforming Cap &
Replace regulation, Sec. 30- 93- 14(A)(3). Ms. Scheid explained the
regulation. Mr. Ross stated the revision should be more clearly written.
Mr. Witt explained his interpretation. The sign company representatives
expressed their interpretation of the language. Mr. Lodzinski stated the
language should be clarified. Mr. Natt asked the PC to determine dwell
and twirl time for tri- vision signage since Mr. Miller had traveled from out of
town. Mr. Witt stated the commissioners would prefer to review the
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language of all of the proposed ordinance revisions at a PC Worksession.
Mr. Natt stated he plans to attend the worksession.
Ms. Hooker then made the motion to continue the Sign Ordinance
Revisions petition for further consideration:
AYES:
Thomason, Hooker, Witt, Azar, Ross
NAYS:
None
ABSENT:
None
& The petition of the Roanoke County Planning Commission to amend the
Roanoke County Zoning Ordinance Section 30 -53, C -'l Office District, to
include personal services as a Permitted Use. Ms. Janet Scheid,
Roanoke County Planning, presented the staff report.
Ms. Joan Bugbee stated she had the impression from the Community
Meeting that an exception for the two hairdressers at Windsor House was
the only option being explored. Ms. Scheid explained staff had
researched the issue from a broader perspective. She stated staff
considered whether Personal Uses was an appropriate use type in all C -'I
zoning, not just regarding the Windsor House property. Ms. Bugbee
asked if the Permitted Uses could be limited to hairdressers only. Ms.
Scheid stated only the Planning Commission could make that
determination. She stated that the recommendation from staff is that little
difference exists between the various uses with regards to the amount of
traffic generated and the nature of the businesses included in the list of
Permitted Uses, Mr. Witt noted this issue had been presented in relation
to other rezonings. He stated this is not a reaction exclusively for the
Windsor House property.
Mr. Ross then made the motion for favorable approval of the revision:
AYES:
Thomason, Hooker, Witt, Azar, Ross
NAYS:
None
ABSENT:
None
Citizens Comments
There were no citizen comments.
Comments
Mr. Holladay gave an update of the progress of the Comp Plan Revision. He
stated next month he will provide an update of the schedule. He reported on his
meeting with the Roanoke County Stormwater Management group. He stated
the group plans to develop an outline that they will present at PC Worksession.
Mr. Witt encouraged staff to pursue community involvement.
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Ms. Scheid stated a PC Worksession is scheduled for April 15 to discuss the
Sign Ordinance Revisions and the Star Solutions, presentation.
Ms. Hooker stated during the PC Work session that she would like to discuss
solutions regarding Roanoke County's "One-Armed Bandits"' littering their routes.
The petition of Fellowship Community Church to obtain a Special Use
Permit to construct and operate a daycare on 15.652 acres located at Red
Lane Extension at Interstate 81, Baptist Children's Home, Catawba
Magisterial District was approved by the Board of Supervisors at the
Public Hearing on March 25, 2003.
There being no additional business, the meeting was adjourned at 9:50 p.m.
Respectfully Submitted,
Approved:
Secretary, Roanoke County Planning Commission
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