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ROANOKE COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION
MINUTES – FEBRUARY 3, 2004
Present:
Mr. Al Thomason, Chairman
Ms. Martha Hooker
Mr. Steve Azar
Mr. Rodney McNeil
Mr. Gary Jarrell (arrived after the approval of the minutes)
Ms. Janet Scheid, Secretary
Mr. David Holladay
Mr. Chris Lowe
Mr. Tim Beard
Ms. Susan Carter, Recording Secretary
WORK SESSION:
Mr. Thomason called the meeting to order at 4:00 p.m.
Approval of Agenda
Mr. Thomason moved to approve the amended agenda. Motion passed 4-0.
Approval of Minutes
Ms. Hooker discussed Ms. Krochalis' remark regarding air pollution. She asked
staff if their was a problem in the Dixie Caverns area. Ms. Scheid and Mr.
Lowe both stated they knew of no specific air pollution problems in that area.
Ms. Hooker then moved to approve the January 6, 2004 PC Worksession
Minutes. Motion passed 4-0
Ms. Hooker moved to approve January 13, 2004 PC Worksession Minutes.
Motion passed 3-0 with Mr. Azar abstaining.
Approval of Consent Agenda
Mr. Thomason moved to approve the consent agenda. Motion passed 5-0.
Site Viewing
The meeting was adjourned for site viewing at 4:20 p.m.
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PUBLIC HEARING:
Mr. Al Thomason called the meeting to order at 7:02 p.m. Mr. Thomason gave
the invocation and led the pledge of allegiance.
1. The petition of Les and Angela Meadows and Barbara J. Schuyler to obtain
a Special Use Permit to operate a Private Kennel on 1.5 acres, located at
5005 Buffalo Circle, Catawba Magisterial District. Mr. Chris Lowe, Roanoke
County Planning, presented the staff report. Mr. Lowe explained the
definition of private kennel and SUP. He suggested adding the condition
granting the SUP to this applicant and no other property owners. He stated
he has not received any complaints regarding barking issues. He
suggested a condition requiring an administrative review of compliance 12
months from the date the SUP is granted. He stated the SUP could be
revoked at that time if the petitioners are found to be non-compliant.
Ms. Hooker asked if an administrative review had been used as a condition
on other petitions prior to this petition. Mr. Lowe stated this type of condition
was applied to a previous petition, Golden Oak Kennel, January 2, 1997.
Ms. Hooker asked if the electric fence was currently working. Mr. Lowe
stated that the fence was not working and that the petitioners are
researching the installation of another fence.
Mr. Les Meadows, Ms. Angela Meadows, Ms. Barbara Schuyler spoke
regarding the petitioner. Ms. Meadows stated they moved from out of state
and were unaware of the regulation limiting the number of dogs in Roanoke
County. She stated she and her husband owned 2 dogs and her mother
moved in with them and owns 2 dogs. She stated they did inquire about
regulations prior to moving but were not informed of this regulation until after
their move. She stated all four dogs have been neutered. Mr. Les
Meadows stated he was told the electric fence never worked properly for the
prior owners and that may have caused problems in the neighborhood. He
stated they plan to install another fence once this issue is resolved. Ms.
Schuyler stated they take care of their dogs. She stated they do not want
their dogs in other yards or other dogs in their yard. Ms. Meadows
presented a petition from her adjoining neighbor indicating they had no
objection to the current dogs. Mr. Meadows stated his mother-in-law, Ms.
Schuyler, moved to Roanoke with them. He stated their dogs are 8 and 18
years old and his mother-in-law's dogs are 2 and 8 years old. Ms. Hooker
stated neighbors have expressed concern about the fencing. Mr. Meadows
stated whenever their dogs are outside someone is with the dogs. Ms.
Meadows stated barking has not been an issue since they moved into the
house. Mr. Azar asked if the petitioners have met with staff regarding the
suggested conditions. Mr. and Ms. Meadows stated they agree with the
suggested conditions.
Mr. Jim Reynolds, past Cherokee Hill Civic League President,
recommended changing the terminology in the ordinance regarding private
kennels. He stated he is not concerned about these 4 dogs but it leaves the
citizens uncertain about the intent of the petition. He suggested restricting
the SUP as much as possible to prevent future problems. Mr. Azar asked if
Cherokee Hills subdivision has restrictions regarding erecting a fence on the
property. Mr. Reynolds stated he was unaware of specific restrictions other
than those of the county.
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Mr. Paul Daunt, 5004 Buffalo Circle, spoke against the petition. He stated
the 4 dogs have not been out at the same time. He made reference to the
previous property owner's dogs being a nuisance. Ms. Lillian Daunt stated
she heard the dogs in the garage. She stated if a fence is installed all 4
dogs will be out at the same time. Mr. Daunts stated he does not want to
police the neighbors. Ms. Daunt stated there are 10 dogs in the 16 homes,
which are located in the cul-de-sac. Mr. Daunt stated if the petition is
granted the petitioners may want to have more dogs. Mr. Azar suggested
an Administrative Review. Mr. Daunt stated he feels bad about the issue.
Ms. Daunt expressed concern about the precedent this could set for the
neighborhood.
Ms. Norma Stone, 5012 Buffalo Circle, spoke against the petition due to the
barking issue. She stated the previous owners dogs were a nuisance. Ms.
Hooker asked if she had heard the current property owners' dogs. Ms.
Stone stated she heard them today when she went out shopping.
Ms. Shirley Woolwine, 4727 Cherokee Hills Drive, stated the word 'kennel' is
misleading. She stated the petitioners have answered all of her questions.
She stated they originally were opposed to the petition, but unless there is
barking, she sees no problem.
Ms. Pamela Hughes, 5462 Whispering Wind Drive, current Cherokee Hills
Civic League President, expressed concern stating she is afraid this may be
setting a precedent. She stated the complaints about the previous owners
were never reported to the county. She stated the Home Owner’s
Association does have restrictions on fencing. She stated she had not yet
been able to speak directly with the petitioners. She noted there are many
cats in the neighborhood that are left to breed without any controls. She
stated she was unaware of any restrictions on cats in the county. She stated
the petitioner’s dogs have not been a problem since they moved into the
house. She noted the previous Grisso case had caused that resident to
leave the neighborhood. She stated she loves animals. She stated she
agrees with Mr. Reynolds that the verbiage needs to be changed regarding
“private kennel”. She stated she thought the 4 dogs would be ok if they are
kept under control. Ms. Hooker asked staff if a cat limit existed. Ms.
Scheid stated there is a cat limit of 6 cats per household. Ms. Hooker stated
it is not fair to judge the Meadows based on the previous owners problems.
Mr. Azar asked if any comments have been made by the surrounding
homeowners regarding safety. Ms. Hughes stated one neighbor was fearful
of the dogs biting. She noted all dogs have the potential to bite. Mr. Azar
asked if she had received any complaints about these dogs regarding
safety. She stated she had not received any complaints.
Mr. Wes Lester, 4903 White Eagle Lane, spoke in opposition to the petition.
He stated his concerns are this may set a precedent and the potential for
noise from barking. He stated the Meadows moved in during November
2003 when it was cold and the dogs were inside the house. He stated he is
concerned about the safety of his 18 month old daughter when she plays
outside. He stated calling animal control on someone would cause bad
feelings between neighbors. Ms. Hooker noted all of the neighbors are
allowed to have 2 dogs by right. She noted this home meets the physical
qualifications. She stated Animal Control could be called if a safety issue
arises. Mr. Lester stated it is unreasonable to ask neighbors to report
neighbors. Mr. McNeil asked if the 6 other dogs in the culde-sac are a
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problem. Mr. Lester stated he assumes they will be bothersome in the
summer.
Mr. Meadows stated they also have 2 small children. He stated they are
willing to conform with the neighborhood. He stated the Daunts asked them
to withdraw their SUP prior to the public hearing. Mr. Thomason noted the
existing electric fence may too close to the electric meter which may be
preventing it from working properly. Ms. Hooker stated this is a volatile
issue. She stated she is comfortable with the petitioners' intentions
regarding the dogs.
Ms. Hooker then made a favorable recommendation to approve the
rezoning with the following conditions:
1.) The special use permit shall only be granted to the applicants on the
petition, Les & Angela Meadows, Barbara Schulyer, and would not be
transferable to any other property owner.
2.) Staff shall make an administrative review of the special use permit for
compliance with the ordinance after twelve months.
3.) The number of dogs allowed shall be limited to four. However, upon the
death or disposition of any one of these four dogs, the owner shall not be
allowed to replace the said dogs above the limit of two dogs.
AYES: Thomason, Azar, Hooker, McNeil, Jarrell
NAYS: None
ABSENT: None
2. The petition of Roanoke Council of Garden Clubs, Incorporated, to Rezone
2.37 acres from R-1 Low Density Multi-Family Residential District to C-1
Office District in order to construct a general office located at 3640 Colonial
Avenue, Cave Spring Magisterial District. Mr. Tim Beard, Roanoke County
Planning, presented the staff report.
Ms. Hooker asked staff about regulations regarding temporary signs on the
property. Mr. Beard stated the Colonial Avenue Corridor addresses
temporary signs in the guidelines but it is not in the Zoning Ordinance.
Mr. Ed Natt spoke representing the petitioner. He stated the petitioner is
requesting to remove the 75 people limit previously stipulated as a proffered
condition. He stated Phyllis Holton of Roanoke Council of Garden Clubs,
Sam Lionberger of Lionberger Construction, and Jeff Wood of Rife + Wood
Architects were all available to answer questions. He explained the site plan
shows a single entrance from Colonial. He stated the site would be
developed in substantial conformity to the proffered site plan. He stated the
architect may rotate the building 90 degrees but would keep it in the same
general location. He stated stormwater management has been discussed
with adjoiner, Dr. David Bittel. He stated they plan to install screening
between the adjoining residential property. He stated the Garden Club is a
good alternate use of the property. He stated the petitioner wants to rent
the facility for other uses. He stated the maximum capacity is 115 for a
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dinner and 140 for an assembly. Mr. McNeil asked if 60 parking spaces
would be enough for 75-100 people. Mr. Natt answered yes, they average
2 1/2 people per car. He stated the seating capacity is set by the fire code.
Mr. McNeil expressed concern regarding parking along the driveway if
parking spaces were not available. Mr. Natt stated he hopes they would not
park along the driveway. He stated Dr. Bittel might allow overflow parking
during off-hours. Mr. McNeil noted a 20 ft. wide driveway is not wide
enough to park cars. Mr. Natt agreed. Mr. McNeil asked about the types of
activities that would be held at the facility. Mr. Natt stated the intent is that
only activities approved and sponsored by the club would be held at this
facility. Mr. McNeil inquired about the drainage pond. Mr. Wood stated
they have not engineered the pond yet. He stated they plan for a shallow
grassy lawn-like area. He stated a barrier or fencing would be unacceptable
to the petitioner. Mr. Natt stated the intent is to keep stormwater run-off
away from the adjoining properties. Ms. Hooker stated some of the
conditions are subjective and need clarification. Mr. Natt requested
flexibility from the county regarding subjective items in the Colonial Avenue
guidelines. Mr. Beard stated only temporary signs for club events were
allowed.
Mr. Hal Jones, 3734 Thompson Lane, stated he owns the property behind
this property. He stated the parking lot would be visible from his backyard.
He stated the sewer system goes through the back of his property near the
property line. He expressed concern that required screening could create a
problem with the sewer lines. He stated when the property is graded the
manhole may be higher than ground level. He stated he thinks the club is a
great idea. He noted nearby Promenade Park detention pond never has
standing water in it. Mr. Natt noted this issue had been mentioned at the
Community Meeting. Mr. Wood stated he is unsure if the sewer structure is
on the petitioner's property. He noted they are now aware they will need to
address this issue.
Mr. McNeil then made a favorable recommendation to approve the rezoning
with the following conditions:
1) The subject property will be developed in substantial conformity with the
concept plan dated January 14, 2004 and with the architectural
rendering dated January 30, 2004 both prepared by Rife & Wood
Architects.
2) Use of the property will be limited to activities of or sponsored by the
Roanoke Council of Garden Clubs, Incorporated including offices,
meetings and rental of the building.
3) Applicable Colonial Avenue Corridor Design Guidelines shall be in effect
with the word "shall" replacing the word "should" as determined during
the site plan review process.
4) The proposed building shall be limited to 6,000 square feet of gross floor
area and 26 feet in height.
5) Exterior building materials shall be of brick and wood.
6) Parking to the rear of the building shall not exceed sixty (60) spaces and
no parking shall be constructed in front of the building.
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7) Monument-style signage at the entrance of the property shall not exceed
35 square feet. Total site signage shall not exceed 70 square feet.
Temporary signage shall be limited to activities directly related to the
Roanoke Council of Garden Clubs, Incorporated.
AYES: Thomason, Azar, Hooker, McNeil, Jarrell
NAYS: None
ABSENT: None
3. The petition of Balzer & Associates, Inc. to amend the conditions of
Ordinance 032399-8, Condition 4, to increase the maximum light pole
height from 22 feet to 33.5 feet for property located at 3270 Electric Road,
Cave Spring Magisterial District. Mr. John Murphy, Roanoke County
Planning, presented the staff report. He explained the ordinance in relation
to this issue.
Ms. Hooker asked if Balzer & Associates was confused about the condition
limiting the light poles to 22 feet. Mr. Murphy deferred the question to the
petitioner. Ms. Hooker asked how long the petitioner has had the lights in
place. Mr. Murphy stated they received a Temporary Certificate of
Occupancy eight months ago. He stated the county is holding a bond on
the site. Ms. Hooker asked what would happen if the issue was not
amended or forgiven by the county. Mr. Murphy stated an extension of the
Temporary CO would be granted. If not corrected the county would begin
enforcement procedures. Mr. Azar asked if the light pole proffer was noted
on the site plan when it was reviewed and approved. Mr. Murphy stated
yes. Mr. Azar asked if Ruby Tuesday’s light poles are within standard. Mr.
Murphy affirmed their lights are in compliance with the 22 foot height
regulations.
Mr. Craig Balzer, Architect for Balzer & Associates, gave a brief update on
the petition. He introduced Mr. Sean Horne, Site Engineer and Mr. Lee
Eddy, Consulting Electrical Engineer. Mr. Balzer gave a history of the
development of the site. He stated they submitted documents for Site Plan
Review in March 2002. He stated Golds Gym hired them to do a feasibility
study. He stated Golds Gym has requirements regarding lighting levels,
parking, and height of the building. He stated in August 2002 they began
the site plan. He stated the proffer regarding the lights was never
transmitted or communicated between Balzer & Associates and the
subcontractors. Mr. McNeil asked who ordered and installed the lights. Mr.
Balzer stated Avis installed the outside lights. Mr. McNeil asked who wrote
the specifications for those lights. Mr. Balzer stated Newcomb Lighting. Mr.
McNeil asked who was responsible to check the height of the lighting. Mr.
Balzer stated it was Balzer & Associates' responsibility.
Mr. Lee Eddy, 2211 Pommel Lane, Consulting Electrical Engineer, stated he
mainly works with commercial properties. He stated he was hired by John
Mann to design this project and was not made aware of the proffered
condition limited the light poles to 22 feet. He stated Balzer could shorten
the light poles and that would result in more light poles and more dark spots
in the parking lot. He stated if 22 ft. poles were installed, they would also
have to be installed on the perimeter of the property. He compared two
lighting levels – one with 22 foot poles and one with 33 foot poles. He
explained conceptual pictures to the commissioners comparing the 22 ft.
poles and the 33 ft. poles. He stated 22 ft. poles would need to be closer to
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the property line, the lighting would not be uniform, and the light which
shines onto Westmoreland Drive will not be diminished because that grade
is lower than the lot where the light poles are located. Mr. Azar asked if
the 33 ft. poles illuminate the parking areas between the poles. Mr. Eddy
affirmed they do illuminate these areas. Mr. Azar asked if this design work
would work with 22 ft. poles. Mr. Eddy stated the number of islands would
need to be increased to place more poles in the parking area. He stated it
would substantially complicate the lighting design. Mr. Thomason asked
where the communication breakdown occurred. Mr. Eddy stated Balzer did
not pass the proffered condition information to Mr. Mann when he was hired
to do the lighting.
Mr. Richard Baldwin, 3326 Westmoreland Drive, stated his property adjoins
the petitioner's property. He stated he has attended all meetings regarding
this property. He stated the county has a history of selective enforcement
regarding non-compliance. He stated he understands the height of the
lights should only reach a certain height in relation to the neighborhood. He
stated that if the height and direction of lights is proper, it could be good
lighting. He stated the ordinance and laws only work if enforced equitably.
Mr. Hal Jones, 3734 Thompson Lane, stated 33 ft. light poles are in
violation. He stated it is up to the Planning Commission to correct. He
stated the Commission should maintain the ordinance the way it is suppose
to be maintained.
Mr. Balzer stated in October 2003 he sent a surveyor out to the property.
He wanted to make sure the light candle levels were proper. He stated they
hired a New Jersey firm to conduct the photometric study. He stated the
candle levels are way below limits on the perimeter of the property. Mr.
McNeil noted that in the construction business mistakes are made. Ms.
Hooker stated she agrees with Mr. Jones that the error needs to be
corrected. Mr. Azar commended the petitioner for coming forward. He
stated they need to follow the proffered conditions. Mr. Jarrell stated he
understands the error, but he cannot support the petitioner's request. Mr.
Thomason acknowledged it was unfortunate the information was not passed
to all levels during the design and construction process.
Mr. McNeil then made the motion to deny the amendment request.
AYES: Thomason, Azar, Hooker, McNeil, Jarrell
NAYS: None
ABSENT: None
4. The petition of Land Planning & Design Associates to amend conditions on
Planned Residential Development consisting of approximately 220 acres
and rezone 32 acres from R1-C Single Family Residential District with
conditions to PRD, located south of the Blue Ridge Parkway at milepost125,
Cave Spring Magisterial District. Ms. Janet Scheid, Roanoke County of
Roanoke Planning, presented the staff report. She read a letter from Gary
Johnson of the Blue Ridge Parkway dated January 30, 2004 supporting the
proposed development and complimenting the petitioner on the amount of
work they have done and coordination with the Parkway staff. She stated the
roads within the project will be built to VDOT construction standards but may
be narrower. She stated the project will be built in phases. She stated a
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pallet of colors to be used on house exteriors will be agreed upon between
staff and petitioners.
Mr. Frank Radford, Mr. David Radford, and Mr. Tom Wilson spoke regarding
the petition. Mr. F. Radford gave a brief history of the area. He explained the
site map and development logo. He stated he recognized Cotton Hill Road
access to this property was not ideal. He stated they have an option on the
Houghton property, which is on Merriman Road. He stated regarding the
Last Chance viewshed that this is a model project for protection of the
viewshed. Mr. David Radford stated village homes, cluster homes, and single
family homes will be included in this development. He stated a walking trail,
pool, tennis courts, and community center would be built for the residents. He
stated the price of homes would start at approximately $200,000. Mr. F.
Radford stated portions of the trail would be constructed of interlocking pavers
while more natural materials would be used in wooded areas. He stated only
38% of the property is being used for development. The petitioners presented
a power-point presentation with a computer generated drive-by simulation.
Mr. McNeil asked if the roads would be private and 20 feet wide. Mr. F.
Radford affirmed the roads would be private and 20 feet wide. Mr. McNeil
asked if on-street parking would be permitted. Mr. F. Radford stated on-street
parking would be allowed for visitors only. He noted all units will have a
parking area and garage. He stated the narrow streets provide traffic
calming. Mr. McNeil expressed concern regarding parking on both sides of
the 20 ft. street and that may impede Fire & Rescue access to the area. Mr.
F. Radford stated it should not happen often since the Homeowners
Association requires the residents to park off-street. Ms. Scheid stated Fire
& Rescue would review the plan during site plan review.
Ms. Joann Derryberry, 6954 Briar Ridge Circle, stated her property adjoins
the petitioner's property. She stated although she appreciates the
development being built in harmony with the Parkway, there is no buffering
shown on the plans for the neighboring properties. She stated all sides
should be considered. She expressed concern regarding the height of the
structures. Ms. Scheid stated the height of the Cluster Homes would be no
more than 35 feet. Mr. F. Radford stated he would be happy to screen the
area mentioned by Ms. Derryberry. All of the commissioners praised the
developers on their plan.
Mr. McNeil then made a favorable recommendation to approve the rezoning
with the following conditions:
1. Per Section 30-47-5(B) of the Roanoke County Zoning Ordinance all
written and graphic information submitted as part of a Planned
Residential development rezoning request constitutes proffered
conditions.
AYES: Thomason, Azar, Hooker, McNeil, Jarrell
NAYS: None
ABSENT: None
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Citizens Comments
There were no citizen comments.
Comments
There were no other comments.
Final Orders
1. The petition of Cellco Partnership to obtain a Special Use Permit to operate
a broadcasting tower on 3.059 acres located at 6720 Thirlane Road,
was deniedby the Board of Supervisors at
Catawba, Magisterial District
the Public Hearing on December 16, 2003.
2. The petition of Berk, LLC to obtain a Special Use Permit to construct a mini
warehouse facility on 4.0 acres located in the 5300 Block of Hollins Road,
was approved by the Board of Supervisors at
Hollins Magisterial District
the Public Hearing on December 16, 2003.
There being no additional business, the meeting was adjourned at 10:20 p.m.
Respectfully Submitted,
Approved:
Secretary, Roanoke County Planning Commission
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